I think we might be leaving the "boring" part of this dystopia

Jesus fucking Christ i want to schedule a hysterectomy and i don't even have one of those.

What does this have to do with capitalism?

The problem aren't babies, its funding those babies. Raising children is fucking expensive, and in the age of infinite growth nobody is allowed to slowdown to raise children. Adoption centers and foster homes are abysmal, and having kids is too expensive for most people.

The rich dont want to pay for peoples kids, they just want to squeeze the value out them. Thats why Elon and his vice president trump wants more H-1B visas. They don't have to pay for the childcare or education, they can just drain educated workers from another struggling country

Good news boys, if we're willing to use women this way, we can actually do the same for men! This is one unique sexual reproduction horror story that can in theory be inflicted on both sexes!

Pregnancy without a uterus, impossible! You say. But ectopic pregnancies are a thing. We all start out as parasites. As an embryo develops, it looks for a surface of flesh rich in blood vessels to latch onto. The primary function of the uterus is to provide an inner lining that is sort of a "disposable surface." The inner lining is rich in blood vessels, the ideal environment for a zygote to latch onto and grow from. The embryo can integrate its blood vessels with the uterine lining and thoroughly mess those up. Then after pregnancy the whole inner lining is just sloughed off. That in inelegant terms is the uterus - an organ that produces a nice safe surface for the zygote to latch onto that won't harm the person carrying the pregnancy.

But, things don't always go well. If a zygote somehow tears through the uterine wall, then ectopic pregnancy, pregnancy outside the uterus, can result. And this a serious life-threatening medical condition. The fetus as it develops will latch onto not the intended uterine surface, but the vital abdominal organs. Giving "birth" in this case is done surgically, and it's more akin to cutting out a cancer than a healthy live birth.

But while it hasn't been tried due to the obvious health risks and huge medical ethics issues, there's little reason to think that ectopic pregnancies couldn't be carried in a male admomen. DNA and chromosomes shouldn't be a barrier. The placenta that the fetus grows is evolved to prevent the fetus from being rejected like a donor organ. It's not like mothers and infants share their DNA.

So in theory we could use men in vegetative states as one-time use surrogates. There has been research proposed and papers written on the possibility of trans women carrying children via uterine transplant, but this method, deliberate artificial ectopic pregnancy, is in principle a lot simpler. You don't need to transplant a delicate organ and find a way to carry a pregnancy while taking anti-rejection drugs. You just implant an embryo in the surrogate abdomen and let it go to town. Let it latch in to whatever internal organs it wants. Then after nine months, just cut open and discard the surrogate father.

It wouldn't be as simple as just implanting an embryo. The pregnant vegetative man would likely need to have his hormone profile monitored and heavily manipulated. But this is easy enough. Testosterone production could be nuked by simple castration, and erogenous estrogen and progesterone could then be introduced as needed before and during the pregnancy. After the pregnancy, it is unlikely the man would survive. So this is a one time deal. But if we're OK treating people in persistent vegetative states like resources to be exploited, I see no reason to throw out half of our potential surrogate population simply because they happen to be men.

The amount of babies isn't the issue America, it's the fact that we can't afford them.

But like... why babies? We already have way too many of those. We need fewer babies.

If we're going to delve into some seriously murky ethical water here, why not forcus on something there's an actual need for, like organ and blood harvesting? And that would double donor pool by including men as poss-- ...oh. Oh yeah. That's why. -_-

Axlotl tanks?

WHAT THE FUCK!

Seems like a super-nerdy medical idea that would work without capitalism and has nothing to do with capitalism.

That's an incredibly expensive bad idea. Dialysis will likely be necessary and the beating heart corpse just kind of slowly breaks down over time with multi system organ failure. 9 months would require a heroic effort at life support. Makes sense it was suggested by a philosopher. She also suggested using male bodies as incubators. Might as well use pigs if you're going that far. Humerous that the philosopher that suggested it was a woman though.

It is a good thought experiment to gauge where people stand on brain death and personhood too I guess. I obviously think a body with a brain that is dead to the stem is just a corpse. That brain will actually end up liquefying because it is actively necrotizing.

In reality, I also agree with the premise that actual surrogacy is worse. An economic trade where someone rich buys someone else's health is no different than buying a kidney. So that point they made is absolutely not wrong. Surrogacy should be abolished, though this obviously has no chance of taking it's place.

Literally the plot of Shinsekai Yori (don't watch Shinsekai Yori, it will fuck you up)

I don't know what this has to do with capitalism. This sounds like a shitty lab experiment which can happen under any form of government or economy. Oh wait I checked and it's from .ML. I am posting this in the hopes to get banned from that entire instance because blocking didn't seem to work.

My brother in christ, this is not OG sleeping beauty, wtf. How did they expect that conversation to go down?

"Yes, I know your daughter is brain dead, but good news, she will be able to breed for the nation! What? You don't like the idea of state sanctioned rape and forced breeding?" It baffles me that some people really just see women as a vessal. No thoughts on how horrific that would be for any woman going into the hospital (if something goes wrong, I don't even get a respectful death), and for their families should one of the worse case scenarios occur ("You can bury her after we've popped out a few wave slaves"). Not even thoughts on the children that would be produced by such horrors.

Literally anything than make the world a better place for people to raise children in.

The Bene Tleilaxu approve this plan.

I've been watching too many medical dramas and think that this would make a neat episode if done correctly. Like if a woman had agreed to be a surrogate for her gay brother and made it explicitly clear that she wanted it to occur even if she was in an accident and brain dead. There's a lot of moral issues and it would be interesting to see them play out in a fantasy universe.

I can't imagine a situation where this would be OK in real life, to be clear.

I know forced sterilization is bad, but people that come up with opinions this psychotic...should not be allowed to procreate.

The spice must flow. The Tlielaxu will have their Axolotl Tanks.

Literally the plot of Shin Sekai Yori (2008).

Nice try Hideo Kojima. You won't be making the death stranding reality!

Isn't this just like organ donation, but instead of organ, its the entire body?

(I mean, provided, that the deceased has consented to this before dying.)

Oh, Brave New World!

Oh hey capitalism wants to create the Daemonculaba.

that paper has GOT to be a thinly veiled gruesome fetish manuscript, involving at least a couple corpses.

Gotta get that birthrate back up somehow, and having an equitable society obviously isn't an option

I honestly don't see a problem with that, as long as the woman gave her consent while she was of sound mind. Surrogate pregnancy is already a fairly common thing; this is just extending it to after one is brain-dead.

Obviously if it's done nonconsensually that's an entirely different matter, and is a horrifying idea (imagine miraculously waking up from an 8 month coma only to find you're pregnant with someone else's child).

One step closer to a Brave New World

id love to keep it "boring"

the "interesting" parts of a dystopia arent usually very healthy for us...

USA, where abortion is effectively illegal. Went Why can't adoption be a solution?

This is seriously fucked up, but I don't get the capitalism part of it?

we need the original author's names.

they need to be on a list somewhere for... additional oversight.

just saying you don't come to this 'scientific conclusion' in a vacuum, someone needs to check the rest of their.... social circle.

This has very little to do with what our actual dystopia will do. I mean, I thought that this was by someone who was probably thinking of the families that lost someone to a coma and had been looking for grandchildren, but no, they are seriously suggesting this simply because of its utility.. Even so, all hail the new future tech bro hivemind and all, but still, not very likely. If it is something that is capable of being truly considered by societies, it will also be capable of considering worse things over it.

Suggest like 2 of the most evil doctors you could find so that, actually, YOU could suggest it, The Telegraph

IMO

We don't need more people in the world right now. We should be concentrating on figuring out how to agree on having and applying the best support for the ones we already have first.

So the Tleilaxu are real ??

I say sex work to help pay for health care.

Welcome to the Wisconsin State semen/fertility donation center! We have dressing rooms on the left and on the right we have rooms with permanent donors! Like in restrooms you'll see rooms for men where we'll have our braindead "moms" set up to your penis precise height. If its for women, you'll find our braindead "husbands" layer out in reachable love seats. Please ignore the fluffers, they are all volunteers who's job is to ensure the highest quality erections.

We have lay away if you find a suitable partner but need more time. And no, we don't rent out the mothers and you cannot take them home for birth day. It all happens here, our staff is the best....

[Berlusconi] described Englaro as somebody who could even "bear a child and who is in a vegetative state that could change."

reminds me of that one rimworld copypasta

One of the benefits of living and working in a liberal society is that stuff like this can get publicly published, discussed and rejected if deemed bad. Under totalitarian regimes that public forum is absent, which is why some of the worst ideas/atrocities of the Soviet Union only came to light years after they had happened (instead of being rejected before they could happen). When it comes to human rights, liberalism > communism, and it's not even close.

there are far too many fucked up hentai plots that have the same lines

either way dude needs the nsa as his isp for a good bit

Name and shave the "academic"

What does this have to do with capitalism? Did we just switch from "everything bad is communism" to "everything bad is capitalism"?