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I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”

Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?

OP what do you think of Discovery?

I ask this because 9/10 times someone talks about how Star Trek was "always woke", they are usually just salty people don't like Discovery and trying to pretend that most people who criticized it were bigots.

The other 1/10 times it's someone who doesn't even watch Star Trek trying to hijack the sub to push a bunch of performative culture war nonsense. However that usually involves a Tumblr post implying the Klingons were socially progressive because of how Kor treated Jadzia Dax.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFspemhHmsw A Critique of Star Trek Discovery — Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

This whole essay is worth listening to, but 15:46-30:33 in particular gets at the heart of a big reason why classic Trek rocks and why nuTrek is shit.

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

Kind of yeah, but Gene Roddenberry used allegories like the half black and half white dudes who hated each other - which took more effort than having characters just walk around in the present saying, "Wow, look at all the social injustice."

They were even more upfront about it in TOS for some issues too.

I remember many instances where they say "We have women in our crew in the future." It's not like DISCO flaunted around saying "we don't hate gay people in this ship."

Like I understand that DISCO isn't everybody's favorite, and sure it has some issues, but all the flak it got for being "woke" and "preachy" was weird to me.

Part of Kirk's whole thing was preachy speeches, and Picard had many moments too.

Holy Motherforkin Shirtballs! A The Good Place meme in the wild!

Hey now hey now!

It's a cashless classless society, it's about economic class justice, too!

That part's just more in the background.

Bro, IDIC.

No, they alternated.

Sometimes they did proper scifi.

Sometimes they did politics.

I'm in it for the scifi mself.

This is perfect. Thank you for this.

Since when is wokism about social justice?

Im always rather disappointed with this claim as doh, star trek is woke, it always was and nobody has complained about that part.

When people complain about the woke part they complain about that star trek WAS woke and intelligent, yet now just pretends to be woke and hangs it like dangling keys in front of us to hide the fact that it's become so absolutely shit.

Seriously, every criticism I've seen about it (and also every criticism I've lobbed at it) always gets "rebuked" with "you just hate woke!"

No I don't no we don't. I'm love the progressivism of old trek. I hate nu trek because it's empty vapid drek that just tries to cram a much "woke" in there not to be woke but just to hide the smell of shit.

Nu trek is awful.

People have been raving about brave new worlds but those same people were raving about the mental anguish that is discovery and cringe Picard. I'm a huge star trek fan, been so for 30 years, but after Picard S3 I simply stopped. I watched trek at least once a week for decades, buy I haven't watched anything trek ever since Picard ended. That's how off putting Picard was as a show.l, it managed to ruin TNG for me.

I know this will be down voted and people will just continue to say I am anti woke, that I love trumpmor whatever, even though none of that comes close to reality but nu trek fans have been... Different? Star trek fans were actually progressive and trying to make the world a better place. Ever since nu trek its been "think like us or fuck off"

I'm so done with star trek. Long live the Orville!