Lemmy users are like

Whenever someone posts this sort of vague "people aren't tolerating my ideas" post, nine-times-outta-ten, the ideas in question are just awful.
- No, my idea is great, everyone else is wrong!
- There's nothing wrong with wanting to build a giant slide from the peak of Mount Joffre, OK‽
- 10/10 times somebody seethes at the idea of merely listening to ideas that they might dislike or disagree with is some extremist whacko who gets all their information from a heavily vetted and censored echo chambers.
  
  Which ideas? Be specific :)
- Like yours
  
  What?
- Biden's a good president
  I like cars
  Food isn't expensive if you buy chicken/pork on sale
  Corpo greed / cost cutting / layoffs is driven by ruthless consumer demand for cheaper products over all else. Rather than pointing to faceless organizations looking for a boogieman, people should look in a mirror.
  Elections are won by voting
  On some self reflection, #3 and #4 is pretty closely related. Something something no margin for small farmers I think. Ah well, everyone's a hypocrite - including me.
  
  Subjective. But he's not the worst.
  Liking cars is one thing, but we should not be designing our lives around cars. The more we cater for cars, the worse our living conditions get. The more we treat cars as the primary and required method of transport, the worse our society becomes.
  And 4. Individual action alone is simply just ineffective at solving the problems. Focusing on individuals rather than systemic change is the same as doing nothing. If we want to change behaviour, we have to change incentives.
  
  All of these in the numbered list could add some serious dynamics to conversations on Lemmy. Yeah. You have identified our collective blind spots.

Sometimes the bad guys have skulls on their caps and it's really just that black and white simple.
- Sometimes, but not usually
  
  Thorsquint.jpg

Using imfglip and linking to it instead of hosting the image somewhere (Lemmy? Imgbb?) definitely makes you one of the baddies.
Also there's several variations of this meme that you could have used that don't use a violent abusers image. Like a similar one with Geordi LaForge from Star Trek.
- drake is a violent abuser?
  
  I think they've mixed up Drake, the rapper, and Drake Bell, the actor. Though the two look nothing alike, so maybe I've missed some news report.
  
  Drake is a groomer.
- What's wrong with linking to imgflip ?
  
  For me (using Jerboa), it automatically opens in an external browser instead of just opening the image in app.
  Other apps might not have this issue though. Not sure why OP made the remark.
- Sorry, I did not know that. Won`t happen again.

How dare the public not want to hear about us stripping the rights of gays, and trans people? ECHO CHAMBER! I JUST WANT CIVIL DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOTHING BUT THUGS AND RAPISTS AND THEY SHOULD GO BACK TO AFRICA.
How about no dude? Go back to Truth Social and rant there. Nobody wants to hear about your eugenics, how a female comic artist hurts your browsing experience and you're too contrarian not to spew misogynist rhetoric.
Progressives and most real moderates know better now. It's all bad-faith arguments and dog whistles. The paradox of tolerance is real and people need to stop platforming insanity.
- Meanwhile you've got a c/Politics mod defending the Daily Wire as a "valid alternate viewpoint." Truly we've reached post-irony
- I just want people to stop thinking their political views are meme-worthy. I came here to be entertained, not lectured.
- God nothing is more annoying than brain damaged American progressives who think they're intellectuals. Even if we ignore your strawman, the very idea that there are people who are close minded enough to actually actively refuse to even be exposed to any ideas that they might dislike or disagree with is insane. Keep in mind, the tolerance paradox says that intolerant ideas shouldn't be tolerated, it doesn't say that you should go full 1984 censoring and controlling information and turning authoritarian on anything you deem intolerant. The whole point of the paradox is to demonstrate that if a society wants to remain free and democratic, then it needs to oppose intolerance and authoritarianism in all its forms... via democratic processes. Otherwise, it's another society that has become corrupted. The principles of liberty and democracy, as well as their universality, should never be abandoned.
  
  I hate you. I despise you so deeply that I will use all my capital to move the democratic process. I am going to use the freedom you have given me to manipulate everyone into thinking you are the scum of the earth, unworthy of existence. I will demonize your actions on every turn. I will destroy you, your culture, and your very existentce. I just have to yell it long and hard enough and people will flock to my voice that I have been given on your platforms. And you will do nothing about it, even when you manage to expose my lies. It is you that is the cause of all our problems we face. Soon enough people just repeat what I say and believe me over anything you might utter. I have just convinced people of what you truly are. And their vote will sign your death warrant.
- cryptosporidium140, 8 hours ago
  Your strawman sucks, I’m not buying it
  That's what you plan to do on the internet all day? Just use buzzwords without understanding what they actually mean lol? Or do you genuinely believe that isn't the root of most right wing estranged, convoluted, self-deceptive arguments? Because the Republicans being elected have been saying the quiet part out loud for almost 8 years now.
  Gish gallop! Fallacy fallacy! Sealioning!!! And no, citing multiple sources is not gish gallop. I've been hit with that accusation in a personal chat recently too lol.
- Ehm.. calm down, friend. You are reading quite a bunch into my post. It is exactly this stupid finger-pointing of 18-year old know-it-alls that ruins lemmy.
  
  Are we though? Because I think we know exactly what you meant to stir up lol.

This isn't limited to lemmy users.

While there's definitely some of that going on, the people I usually see complaining about this kind of thing are not interested in the fair exchange of ideas. Rather, they're upset that one of their dumb opinions got made fun of in a public forum.

This has absolutely nothing to do with Beef Stroganoff.
- True.

yeah, im this 🤏 close to unsubscribing from any news related communities. the comments are mostly repetitive circle-jerks and antagonistic in-fighting. it's really affecting my time on here.
- Ngl same
- So many people seem to genuinely think they shouldn't need to pay rent or work. Or that their employer should pay for their commute.
  
  With how unnecessary it is sometimes to be in the office with teleworking and losing my time commuting, that would be a way for employers to think twice before asking someone to come in, and give some kind of compensation to those who can't work from home.
  
  I mean. Both of those things seem like pretty reasonable positions to discuss. They way you write that seems to imply that rent and work are simply facts of life, but they don't have to be. Or at the very least, they could look a lot different to how they do now.
  Rent is an economic concept that doesn't have to exist. In fact it's not hard to make the economic argument that it should not exist. Rent-seeking is generally considered a bad thing, because it removes value from a system.
  Work is harder to get away from. But there's no reason work has to look like how employment does today. And there's a productive discussion around how much work is reasonable, especially as automation continues to advance.
  
  I came here to be entertained, not lectured.
  
  Personally I don't think that companies should be responsible for taking care of people... because that's the governments responsibility. We are rapidly approaching a situation where people will be automated out of work faster than we can invent new arbitrary things for them to do. UBI is inevitable it's just a question of when and how

no you dont understand!!! my opinion is correct, and anyone who dares to question it is automaticay one of the bad guys!!!!
- You are mistaken. MY opinion is the truth, always.
  
  Actually, you're both wrong.

The top part of the meme is actually a reason I like instances that don't defederate from other instances. It allows me to see what those I disagree with and/or just don't like might be saying/thinking at a certain period.
- I too am an enlightened centrist, I must see both sides, for neither is annoying enough without the other
  
  Hearing other perspectives doesn't make somebody an enlightened centrist, it makes them knowledgeable and more aware. There's nothing wrong with gathering perspective and context before judging something, that's what people should always do. It's a sign of wisdom, not ignorance. You would have to be mind numbingly ignorant to actually believe that being in echo chambers is a good thing.
  
  In order to see the balance in all things I must accept the holocaust deniers and the Holocaust believers.

I'm the main character, how could I ever be on the bad side?
- You're not, boss. You're my childhood friend that saved me from a gang of rabid wombats and I would follow you forever using my unique skills to defeat your enemies in turn based combat.

it's simple, the guys I like are the good ones, and the ones I don't are bad.

For people who don't want to click on the link:

Oh dear, someone's mad that others rejected their fascism again
- You are not sharing my opinion? You must be a FaSciSt!
  
  Straw man

My favourite part of Lemmy is seeing enlightened centrists posting to Lemmy.ml thinking it’ll be sympathetic to any other ideology than socialism/communism.

you either agree with me, or you're in the other tribe
- Yes... that's how differing opinions work... they're different from each other lol.
  
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribalism
  it's going with the "us vs them" mentality mentioned in the post. and I see you with your self-upvote there, I really love kbin for that transparency

I used to feel that way but man, after the 20th time in a row that someone either calling for nuance or unity with questionable individuals ended up being some sort of malefactor with an evil agenda has me completely burnt on thinking that way. You just have to accept that some people are irredeemable and not worth dealing with, and replace them with those who are actually out there for your best interests.

*doubt creeps into public opinion
https://giphy.com/gifs/starship-troopers-kill-em-all-johnny-rico-l3vRkwv2Yz6i8rDwY

lazy

is this reddit? please stop
- This place is like Reddit, but somehow worse
- Lemmy isn't reddit, but they're both the internet.

Give it enough time and every instance is going to defederate with everything that has even slightly opposing view points. We will have federated islands because people would rather silence opposing thought than discuss something like a reasonable human being.
- If you want to discuss healthcare, taxes, etc, I'm all for it, but if you want to discuss stripping rights away from people or harming them, or you can't have a conversation without using dog whistles or coded language, then we have nothing to discuss.
  
  Thank you. Denying people human rights and racism are not "differing opinions."
  
  The issue with this mentality is that creates a viscous cycle that leads to extremism. When you close yourself off to ideas, you rob yourself the exposure to different perspectives and criticism. You will only hear what you want to hear, aka an echo chamber. The issue with echo chambers is that the lack of intellectual diversity and criticism allows more extreme views to take hold. For example, it's easy for an echo chamber to justify imprisoning people they don't like because everyone thinks the same and there's nobody to challenge the bad ideas. Free speech can't be used and applied selectively. It has to be universal and it has be genuinely free. Extreme ideas will get criticized, moderate and pragmatic ideas will rise. There's a reason why genuine democracies tend be tame politically and against extremism. Your mentality lets radicals stay radical while at the same time turning yourself into one. You have to hear different ideas, views, and perspectives even if you disagree, get offended, or think they're vile. Hate, authoritarianism, and ignorance can't be defeated with more hate, authoritarianism, and ignorance.
  
  I can tolerate a lot but I won't tolerate intolerance. If your side is intolerance, bigotry, hatred, and hurting people, then yeah I'll defederate my instance pretty damn quick.

Oh look an Enlightened Centrist post. I thought you morons all stayed with Reddit.
- "Oh look an Enlightened Centrist post. I thought you morons all stayed with Reddit."
  Thank you for proving my point. And in such a colorful way!
  
  Your point is moronic. You guys think you're being reasonable and finding the middle when all that's happening is you're being pipelined into fascism with some extra steps.

Aaand blocked.