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‘Would you survive 72 hours?’ Germany and the Nordic countries prepare citizens for possible war

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‘Would you survive 72 hours?’ Germany and the Nordic countries prepare citizens for possible war

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‘Would you survive 72 hours?’ Germany and the Nordic countries prepare citizens for possible war

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‘Would you survive 72 hours?’ Germany and the Nordic countries prepare citizens for possible war

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Norway also advises residents to stock up on essential medicines – including iodine tablets, in case of a nuclear incident – and, like Sweden, recommends that people have several bank cards and keep a ready supply of cash at home.
Iodine is something that's hard to get in modern diets, which is why salt is iodized.
Our body uses it in our thyroid, and atomic weapons send out a shit ton of fallout. A significant amount is radioactive iodine, which is going to be hanging around for a while.
If your body picks it up, you now have a radioactive element accumulating in your throat, which is a pretty bad place to store a radioactive mass.
If you don't have iodine tablet, eat a crazy amount of iodized salt. You want to make sure if your body runs into radioactive iodine, it's already full up and can't hold anymore.
- Wonder if there's a way to extract the iodine to avoid getting high blood pressure from eating fistfuls of salt
  
  You could just buy iodine tablets now...
  But the high blood pressure from salt might kill you decades later.
  A radioactive thyroid would make you wish for death as your lower jaw rots away and eventually falls off.
  Don't half ass it because of a fear of heart disease. A large dose kills cells in your thyroid (still terrible) a moderate dose wouldn't kill the cells but almost guarantee rapid onset cancer.
  It's why the tablets aren't "enough that your body needs" they're "a literal insane amount". Like take your daily requirement times 3-5 years level of crazy.
  
  Fascist dictators on a war path hate this one weird trick!
- If you have enough radiation to ever need iodine tablets, there's probably a hundred other reasons that threaten your livelihood.
  
  That's not true at all. Fallout can be carried by wind over very long distances. And even a small amount of radioactive iodine accumulative in the body can be an issue.
Should be noted that in Norway it is not just for war, but rather any emergency like natural disasters or someone takes out critical infrastructure in a digital attack etc.
You can see all the information that is sent out here: https://www.sikkerhverdag.no/en/
- Same in sweden!
  https://www.msb.se/en/
  
  And as expected, Finland
  https://72tuntia.fi/en/
- Should be noted that in Norway it is not just for war, but rather any emergency like natural disasters or someone takes out critical infrastructure in a digital attack etc.
  A digital attack would be an act of war, though, so...
  
  Not necessarily.
  It could be something as simple as "oops, someone downloaded a file they shouldn't have, and now all the systems of the power grid in a quarter of the country has been encrypted by ransomware"
  
  No, digital attacks happen all the time, nobody will go to war over it.
  Example of only one type of attack in real time: https://www.digitalattackmap.com/#anim=1&color=0&country=ALL&list=0&time=18763&view=map
Here are the recommended dosages for potassium iodide tablets from the New York State government website.
https://www.health.ny.gov/environmental/radiological/potassium_iodide/information_for_the_public.htm

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- Wow. A new account with a history of negative posts. Color me shocked.
  
  I mean, look at the username.
Governments are preparing for war because they want one. Cut the military budget to 0 and drive off lunatic politicians before it's to late.
- Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace
  It might sound contradictory at first but you should consider that people will always disagree. And if you and your neighboring country disagree and they have 20x more military power than you, they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences
  The only thing that allows you to have a civil and diplomatic discussion is the assurance that war is the worst of the options. As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.
  I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I'm with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time
  
  I've never seen a more polite and constructive way to call someone a naive idiot ;)
  
  Unfortunately a strong military is necessary to maintain peace
  Peace is maintain by seeking peace and avoid conflict not by spending billions of dollars in weapons that in most cases are designed to attack and kill other people.
  they might be inclined to use force to solve your differences
  And that's why you want to cut the military budget to 0 so that there's no leverage to use force against others. According to your logic people will always disagree? So ban nukes and weapons before everyone kill each others, putting a gun in everyone hands is going to lead to a bloodbath not to peace.
  As we see today, strong military nations are not afraid to abuse weaker military powers.
  Again cut the military budget to 0 so that your nation doesn't abuse weaker military powers.
  I understand the hate towards the production of weapons, and I’m with you. But defunding the military is a simplistic, utopian argument that unfortunately would not work in the present time
  You sound like you are making an apology to war and authoritarian nations. You are not with me and you are not with the human race, you are against it. What's utopian is to believe that you can achieve peace by spending Trillions of dollars in war. What's simplistic is to believe that you can't do without a government tossing billions of public money into military weapons.
- Don't forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea
  
  You chickenhawks are always so loud and self-righteous, until someone wants to force you or your kid to actually go fight in the war.
  
  Don’t forget the postcard to Russia inviting them over for tea
  You must have confused me for a german politician
- There's some truth to this. One does need a military, but you don't need one that costs 2T a year. Canada and Mexico, combined, spend around 35 billion a year on war material, and both have universal health care.
- "people take anti-cancer drugs because they want war-with-cancer:
  simply by stopping all war-with-cancer, & stopping all the anti-cancer-drugs,
  then everybody won't having malignant-tumors killing them!"
  False reasoning.
  WHEN there are truly-rabid people with armies,
  THEN defense is a SANE investment, if the truly-rabid could affect one's country's life.
  Lethal-self-defense is exercised within your body by your own immune-system, all the time.
  Whatever health you've got, it's because of that!
  Countries are the same as individual-organisms, in terms of being killable-by-pathogens & killable-by-cancer.
  Destroy both, & live healthy.
  You CANNOT give your body to pathogens/cancer & be healthy: that's just delusion.
  _ /\ _

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