[Cross-Post] Tomorrow, September 20th, far-right, conservative and anti-trans groups are organizing protests against teaching 2SLGBTQIA+ content in schools.
[Cross-Post] Tomorrow, September 20th, far-right, conservative and anti-trans groups are organizing protests against teaching 2SLGBTQIA+ content in schools.
An injury to one truly is an injury to all.
If the initialism is the most significant part of this story for you, just fuck off and find someone other place to slowly cultivate your nascent fascism. I know a fucking protest you could join.
The initialism is sooo stupid and really makes this hard to take seriously. I say this as a gay dude. It's just LGBT, Maybe a q or plus on the end if you have blue hair.
You know what? It's really not hard to take it seriously. Have you fucking tried? You get a tiny bit of acceptance from society and already you're acting so fucking privileged. Were you all "don't rock the boat" when it was YOUR rights on the line, asshole?? Or are you too young even to remember that, merely a few years ago??
Gosh this comment section... You guys can use LGBTQ+ if you prefer, just like OP/the article can use 2SLGBTQIA+. Personally, I just say "queer community" most of the time. Use whatever, but people going off about "omg they keep adding letters!!" pisses me off. Haven't you heard anything about what the queer community is going through currently, specifically trans and non-binary people? So what if we want more letters, even a number! Each time sometime decides to whine about the gay initialism we just add another letter :)
I was thinking that whenever I see the acronym expand that more groups are banding together for acceptance.
In any case, I just found out about the Toronto No Space for Hate stuff now through this post. I'll probably go this weekend if it's still happening it says till the 25th.
Is there a way to follow what's going on so that I can plan to be at counter protests when this stuff happens? I need to travel anywhere from 150 to 300 km (one way), so I can't just show up on a whim.
I'm working on a travel and accommodation budget for this kind of thing, but just because I'm retired doesn't mean I can be 1.5-3 hours away from home without some kind of planning.
The whole point of the plus sign is to represent all marginalized sexualities and gender identities, adding more numbers and letters only serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of an already hard fought for and carefully agreed on acronym
adding more numbers and letters only serves to cheapen and lessen the impact of an already hard fought for and carefully agreed on acronym
Did you reach that conclusion through a survey among those who "already hard fought for and carefully agreed on acronym"? It's the same hard-fighting community as always that promotes inclusivity changes to the nomenclature inside the movement
I could ask the same of your statement, I remember when it was just LGB, and the amount of infighting and name calling everyone went through when new letters were added or proposed, but the general sentiment was the same whenever that argument came up. ”there are too many letters being added and we feel this cheapens our movement we've worked so hard for by allowing other groups to ride on the coattails of what we've worked for"
Now of course that's gatekeeping, and forging that path is of course going to allow others to travel it as well, which is perfectly fine. However let me use an extreme example to show you what many were afraid of at that time, say it at one point became 2SLGBTQIARE+&ODM
This is ridiculous right? How is the average person, the person you're trying to convince to accept the movement, going to remember all that? How are you supposed to form a cultural identity if you keep rebranding over and over to the point where you have to be deeply immersed to understand the nomenclature?
Thus the + was added, being all inclusive and finally seeming to be a change that not everyone and their mother was up in arms about. To answer your question, that is how I came to my conclusion, having lived through it and put a whole lot of my soul and energy into this movement I feel pretty confident to say that LGBTQIA+ is just fine.
If you disagree with that, well then you do, I can't stop you, but hopefully you can see where I'm coming from
They/them are missing letters and symbols....
I beg you, please stop adding letters. Just say queer. Constantly expanding the acronym is the sort of thing bigots would do in parody, if they were capable of genuine humor. Doing it to ourselves is no less of a joke.
You can just say queer if you prefer to, or LGBTQ+. And LGBT was coined in 1988 so we added like 5 letters in 35 years. Is that so hard?
Yes - eleven-syllable references are wildly excessive. Especially when the consistent alternative is one. Seeing all these meandering additions and substitutions, mostly in very recent times, is actively unhelpful to a movement that strives for solidarity. You don't get that by rattling off every sub-group, as if anyone who's not mentioned by name is unwelcome.
What the fresh hell is 2 and S? I thought after the plus sign we agreed NO MORE LETTERS. And dont think I dont see you trying to get cheeky with a number.
Even people adding stripes to the flag are missing the point. A rainbow is a spectrum. You're already in there.
Yeah yeah yeah, the very initial intent was one-to-one, but then they dropped a color from that flag, because they couldn't get fabric in the right color. That didn't mean the group was kicked out!
2SLGBTQIA+ ? Is this some kind of bad joke ? What's wrong with LGBTQ+?
Approximately the same thing that was wrong with POC that led to BIPOC. Prefixing 2S centres the First Nations experience which has added intersectional layers, just as prefixing BI to POC centres the black and indigenous experiences which have added intersectional layers
In case you are wondering about I and A, that's intersex and asexual/aromantic
Arguably the (first) Q letter covers everyone, but also there are people who grew up with it as a slur used against them who aren't keep on taking the word back.
QUILTBAG was a cute rearrangement when I was in uni two decades ago. LGBTQ+ is not the oldest form either. G used to come before L, etc
i guess the acronym will just continue to grow forever
Please stop growing the initialism. I already have difficulty remembering it.
If you like, you can use QUILTBAG as a fun re-ordering (though it doesn't include Two Spirit folks, unfortunately), or GSRM (Gender, Sexuality, Romantic Minorities) as more of a catch-all term