Concept for deterring the selection of "no tip" (not real)

POS systems including tip requests really piss me off. We recently discovered a great local restaurant and we order food from them (and pick it up, to take home) a few times a month. They have one of those POS systems and it really irritates me to have to tap 'No Tip' in plain view of the cashier every time. We're picking up food; I'm walking up to a counter, collecting a bag, swiping a credit card and leaving. Why the fuck would I tip for that? I don't tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
- As a bartender, if someone is picking up a to go order it's expected that they won't tip.
  Most places mark Togo orders such that the staff aren't tipping out on them (for obvious reasons) so it shouldn't make a difference to the worker that they didn't get a tip on it.
  
  Who gets the tip of they do? Back of house or owners?
- I don't tip at the grocery store and cashiers there do the same amount of work.
  You will soon!
- Why the fuck would I tip for that?
  Because many restaurants split tips with the back end, and, well, somebody made the food.
  
  Sure, and theoretically that's covered by the price that was listed on the menu. If it's not, it's the restaurant's problem, not mine. Fuck that noise, seriously.
  
  Restaurants need to pay their staff a living wage instead of expecting patrons to subsidize the owners' greed.
  
  By the logic, i should pay tip for every item i buy, it is produced by somebody in a factory somewhere.
  
  Where do you imagine the rest of the money from the receipt goes?
  
  The costs of goods and overhead like employee wages should be included in the price. Raise your prices to what they apparently should be instead of begging your clientele to help give your employees a living wage out of the goodness of our hearts. Such a system only punishes the considerate by milking them of their cash (likely more than they wouldnif your prices were corrected) and rewards the assholes by artificially deflating their prices.
  
  I worked at many restaurants when I was in college and only one of those many split tips. It's far from a universal rule.

POS: "Please tell the cashier."
Me to the cashier: "This place needs to pay you a living wage. Let me know if you and your coworkers need help setting up a union."
- POS: "not like that"
- "Actually cancel my order, this make people tip to avoid an awkward interaction is bullshit and I'm not spending any money here."
- "Here's your tip in cash. Remember to not report it."
  
  A lot of establishments force employees to put tips into pooled tip jar, which the manager distributes. Maybe they are fair. Maybe they keep a chunk for themselves.

I'm so used to telling homeless folks I have no money that I'm pretty sure I can look the barista or whoever straight in the eye and say "No tip."
Actually kind of fucked society pushes us to that point, huh?
- I really almost never have cash on me anymore so my soul is unburdened. I sometimes do charitable acts but it rarely involves giving money to people on street corners. That's just a 9 to 5 for a bunch of them.
  
  I always carry cash, but it's in unreasonable denominations (usually $100 and a $50), and it's only there "just in case" (i.e. lost my phone and need a cab home, and my credit cards aren't working). There's no way I'm giving $50 to a homeless person, I'd rather donate to a local shelter instead.
  That said, if I have the time, I'll offer to take them to get some fast food. They can tell me about their life story, and I know they can't use my money to buy drugs.

Over the last six months or so, I haven't tipped once in any establishment whatsoever. I decided it was a cancerous practice and people deserve to be paid what they're due.
so you just go out and eat without tipping
No, I haven't been out to eat in over six months.
- When we say we're against tipping people really say "then don't eat at restaurants" as if that isn't the best thing we can do for ourselves financially. By not paying restaurant prices I only give myself more money.
- I'm Mexico a customer was beaten to death for not paying a tip. WTF, they killed a person for not paying like 5 dollars
  
  Big doubt, got a source? I'm guessing there was more to the story.

Yeah that's when I'm hitting cancel.
- Usually it isn't the store pushing this, but Square itself. They take a percentage of each transaction so they naturally want to make the charges as high as possible.
  
  Oh thanks for clarifying this. I thought Square as in "don't be a square" and POS for well, "piece of shit".
  
  Fake news. This can all be configured in square.

The punchline is that the cashier doesn’t get any of the tips; they’re pure profit for the business.
- "Hi customer, would you like to give us bonus money for no reason other than your accommodating nature?"
- Yeah. Only ever tip in cash and in person. The suave 20-in-the-handshake looks cool but it's risky.
  
  How is it risky? Once I bribed two people within five minutes in Chicago to get on a flight I was late for. What did I risk?

I agree. The folks who run Square are, indeed, Pieces Of Shit.
That's what you meant, right?
- I don't get why people talk shit about you, your comments are funny
  
  Thank you, I try.

I just never back to that place and also I'm going to give them a bad review
- Bro if there's a website to share this feedback.
  I was just at a restaurant where it was 20%, 30%, or 40% tip, and Custom.
  Food was good but fuck that, I'm done.
  
  Eh, custom -> 0% works. I prefer to leave cash tips anyway.
  
  I always do custom, becausr tip should be pre tax and those machine calvulate on the final amount. I'll not tip if the service was awful. And never tip if I jave to get my own food.

c/assholedesign

A buck. And never return. Fuck that.
- Or no sale and never return. The cancel button is right there.

OP, just saying "(not real, fyi)" in the text part of the post seems a bit misleading.
- Sorry, I've posted lots of this guy's stuff here and I assumed most are familiar with him, but I just had the afterthought to add that text to the post body since this one seems sort of plausible.
  I'll tweak the title to be more clear.

I'd just turn around and leave without paying and leave what ever it is I was gonna buy right there at the counter
- Well you've already been charged so....
  
  The cancel button is top right
  
  No. The machine asks you for a tip before you pay.
  
  Cancel button in this case and leaving WITH what you've paid for in your case.

If I'm talking to a cashier instead of putting my card on the table, I haven't been provided a service that warrants tipping.
- Exactly, which is why I almost never tip. I'll occasionally leave a tip at Dominos or something if they were prompt in finding my pizza while being really slammed w/ orders, but there's no way it's getting anywhere close to what I'd tip at a place where I'm actually being served.
  I'll occasionally leave a cash tip in a jar at a counter order place if the staff were helpful in some way (or the food was especially good), but that's also pretty rare.

Time to leave your shit on the counter and leave. Vote with your wallet.

If this became real, it wouldn't affect me and I'm introverted and near mute in public. I already do this with the "would you like to round up to donate" bullshit. I only have problems saying "no" if it will possibly hurt a person's feelings; idgaf about the feelings of a business.
- idgaf about the feelings of a business.
  Fair enough, but you should know that the money you donate by rounding up doesn't in any way benefit the business. It's your donation and iirc you could even technically write it off your own taxes (doubt it's worth the hassle though)
  Also the thing about tips is that it will unfortunately hurt peoples feelings because at least in some places they probably earn below minimum wage. It's absolutely bullshit, but not participating isn't the perfect solution it might seem
  
  Not strictly true. CVS, a US retailer, announced they would be donating $10 million to a charity and would be supporting the charity via customer round-up prompts as well.
  In reality, they were including the customer donations in the $10 million, so anything customers donated saved them money.

You have typed $1.00 $2.00 $3.00
Did you mean 15% 25% 40%?

I've definitely noticed that my favorite takeout place's POS makes giving no tip as hard as possible (Other->No Tip->Yes). "Fortunately" that is also a place where the owner is a prick and doesn't share tips with the staff so they encourage you to leave no tip.
And the really funny thing? If it wasn't about the same number of presses to leave a custom tip, I would generally round up at most POSes. Which isn't a lot, but it does tend to cover credit card fees on the average and makes card statements easier to skim. Of course, I have also noticed a rise in "Regular" and "Cash" pricing where those fees are explicitly passed on to the customers to begin with so...
I'll tip quite generously for a sit down meal or something like a haircut. For calling me up to the counter when my takeout is ready? Fuck off.
- I'd report the owner to the DoL. I'm fairly certain they're breaking the law
  
  There is a lot of wiggle room about how POS based tipping is treated from a legal perspective
  The food service industry, much like repair/contracting, is notorious for being largely unenforceable for fines like this
  Let's just say that I like the crew that does the actual work there and I am pretty sure none of them are in this country legally...
  
  Breaking the law does not mean that the business will get punished. And if it does, it's a fine.
  When the punishment is a fine, it means that it's a law against poor people.
- owner is a prick and doesn't share tips with the staff
  This is fraud and should be illegal. Even though it's not illegal, the staff can sue him and will win.

Bruh. Not EVERY interaction with a cash register or payment portal is meant to include a tip. The bill is for the goods or service for which I am doing business with you company, i.e. the only reason you are getting my money in the first place. The tip is for the individual that performed a service to me beyond simply providing the previously mentioned good or service. And ideally it is for service beyond the bare minimum (but due to shitty minimum wage laws for roles that expect tips making them dependent on them, there still exists an expectation to tip even for mid or bad service). I will happily tip a server, bartender, barista, barber (there are a weird number of service jobs that start with 'bar'...), or someone that is interacting with customers, providing an experience of service, and will adapt to my shitty needs and requests as a customer, particularly if they are dependent on tips as a portion of their wage. But I am not tipping a cook for making my food in a restaurant. I am not tipping my mechanic for doing an oil change. I am not tipping a cashier for taking my money. I am not tipping MY FUCKING LANDLORD! You are already charging me for the things you are doing. I am not going to voluntarily inflate the price you are charging me for no damn reason. Fuck, sometimes it isn't even clear who would be getting the tip. I'm surprised they don't already ask for tips at the grocery store self-checkout. This shit is dumb.

Tipping culture is weird and I only ever hear people mention it in the context of hating it. Yet they seem to have the mindset that there are no other options.
- Have you talked to a lot of servers about it? I have a few friends who are servers who hate the idea of cutting out tips and just making minimum wage because they would make significantly less money.
  
  Tips were first used as a way for rail lines to avoid having to pay black coach attendants a wage.
  It isn't surprising that service workers don't want to abolish tips, since that's primarily how they get paid now - but that doesn't mean we shouldn't abolish them. The owners should have to pay their workers a living wage. By making that the consumer's responsibility, it frees the business owner from the responsibility of paying their workers for their labor.
  Tip wages are exploitative, plain and simple.
  
  For maybe a month or two, but when the restraints are no longer to hold on to good staff at minimum wage, employers will have to start offering more to get people to work for them.
  
  Crazy thought, really really outside the box lateral thinking type shit, but how about paying them a living wage instead? Seems to work for other industries. I'm not tipping my welder.
  
  That's the tipping I like. When I'm getting served. I want to sit at my table and enjoy the whole experience. I want my water refilled, I was to be asked if I want another drink. I want the courses the flow on and off the table. I want to be able to talk about the dishes. Then I want to tip based on how well it all went.
  Obligate tipping for counter service is bullshit.
  
  Exactly. Servers can make bank on tips, especially on holidays.
  I don't think we should ban tips, but we also shouldn't let restaurants pay servers under minimum wage and there should be something printed on the bill/POS about tips being appreciated but not required. Also, tips shouldn't be required to be shared, customers should be able to select who gets the tips (waiter, cooking staff, or shared).
  
  As a server, tips for me were huge.
  But that's for a role that's a bit more involved than fillings gas or pouring coffee. The waiter's our agent at the restaurant, fighting with (armed!) kitchen staff always on the verge of a breakdown, rejecting shit product and passing along tips for good stuff, etc.
  I'm tipping drivers if the toppings aren't slid to one side. I'm tipping my cabbie. I'm tipping my barber as he does a lot with very little.
  But I'm not tipping people where there's little interaction or judgement for me specifically. My bus driver, the flight attendant, the pilot, the gate agent, the carny operator, the pet food guy, my grocer, my pharmacist. No weasel no grease.
  And if it's forced it'll be the last. That's it. I'm still boycotting restaurants because they couldn't abide by the regional health officers instructions on masking. I can do this.
  Having said that, minimum wage is the minimum. Enough of this bullshit where tipped staff makes less base pay.

Yeah, maybe let's not give the corpos any more ideas

For real why dont they do round up tips? if the total is 18.06, show a tip option of 1.94 and indicate the toal would be 20. Im from a country where tipping isnt done but often people would just give a 20 in cases like this and say keep the change. The change is the tip.
- Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wtf is wrong with America at this point, Everytime I visit family there I am shocked, SHOCKED, by the absurd tipping!

Jesus Christ that's cold.

I've genuinely seen people tape over the no tip section of the screen on smaller pinpad type devices. Not well enough that I tipped, but they tried.
- I would've pulled off the tape for spite.

I've completely lost my chill with forced tips. If that was take out I would tell them they could keep it.

Why don't you just put the $1 in the bill if it is mandatory?

Where's the "Only the tip" button?

This is already the norm in quite a few places in England. They auto-generate a tip on the bill and if you want, you can request the tip to be removed after.
- They should auto generate it into the prices and auto generate it into the salary. Crazy concept
  
  They should, but they instead taught the staff to demand why you don't want to. I refused in one place and was confronted with them demanding why I wasn't giving them one.
  "Was there something wrong with my service? You know that the tip is shared between us and the kitchen...."
  I'm not joking.
- And I did that every single time, when I was in London some time ago

Can I pay just the tip?

I just love how on the Uber eats app. they have a "set your own tip amount" button that doesn't work...

What if we only gave money to the people working in the front and the back of the house, and just don't give any money to the owner?

No worries, I have absolutely no problem with that

Look them in the eye and say "no tip, thank you." Smile. Be nice. Let them be mad. It doesn't matter. They won't remember after a few other customers. Ask anyone working a register in food service, there's so many that it's easy to forget who we are.
- Note: this does not necessarily apply if you're a cute femboy or twink. I still remember all of them

America will do anything but pay workers a living wage.

Those tips are too small. It should be set at 18%, 20%, and 25% with no option for tipping less.
- It should be set at 18%, 20%, and 25% with no option for tipping less.
  You are, in essence, giving corporations a 18-25% discount on wages.
  
  Exactly. Which would make this theoretical POS even more consumer unfriendly then OP's 2%, 4%, and 6% choices.
  More people might be inclined to tell the cashier to remove the tip when it's higher, but if it only shows percentages then people might be inclined to just hit the smallest one instead of doing the math to figure out how much they're tipping.
- Thing is, this is at the dollar store, and you can only buy one item per transaction.
  
  Then how did they get a bill of $49.08? Nothing at the dollar store would cost that...

People who make more in daily interest than the worker does from the shift , I don't think have the moral high ground on tipping.
Guy taking home $250k salary with health care griping about $10 extra. Really.
Sure, income and the economy should be different. The worker can't pay for housing with idealism.
- I think you're missing the fact that the bosses of the establishment aren't paying their employees fair wages and thats the only reason the tip is needed. Im not paying 25% for shit service. Tips are a GRATUITY for doing a good job and equate to a BONUS. They are not, nor were they ever, a defacto part of someone's earnings.
  
  Have you ever worked for tips or been a close friend of someone who did?