Miiiiiiiiiiiiiist

- And that's why Boy never shuts the fuck up in GoW Ragnarok.
  Player stuck for 30 seconds? Better tell them the answer to keep our completion metrics up...
  
  I don't think I'd dislike it if they gave me like 5 to 10 minutes depending on the size of the puzzle and what I've done. I definitely hate how fast it is. It's like, Jesus, give me a minute or being told what do do after it's already blatantly obvious and you're trying to figure it out.
  
  Your comment has a vibe of complaining about that, but I like it for the exact reason you're replying to. It's a little overtuned (I'd like a couple of minutes before being given a hint), but I don't have the patience for getting stuck for long periods of time, especially if it's because of game limitations (ie, I can think of alternatives, but the game doesn't let me use the alternatives because that's not how video games work).
  I also really like when games make it clear that I can't do something right now. Horizon has been great about that, with Aloy remarking that she probably needs some tool or should come back later. I always hated spending 10 minutes trying to get to some obvious treasure, googling it, and being spoiled because the Google result will tell me (in too much detail) that it's a late game thing.
- Sometimes it's like they expect us to take notes while playing the game.
  Like I've got paper just lying there. What am I, a high schooler?
- I feel like Outer Wilds is a good modern-day Myst, sort of anyway.

These games, although I was utterly fascinated by them, I had no clue what I was doing or where I was supposed to go. I couldnt even tell if I was progressing or what. I think I was just too young for it.
- Rest assured, you weren't. These games were made back in the day before the internet got huge. When games could have legitimately hard puzzles for their own sake. There was no handholding back in the day.
  
  Yes and no. A lot of games had hint books you could buy, either from the company or third party. Infocom used to put out hint books which could reveal things to you one clue at a time with a special marker that came with it. But then Infocom was always a very innovative company.
  
  The thinking man’s dark souls.

That game left my brain absolutely riven.
- It will be myst

I realized the moment I fell into the fissure that the book would not be destroyed as I had planned. It continued falling into that starry expanse of which I had only a fleeting glimpse. I have tried to speculate where it might have landed but I must admit however such conjecture is futile. Still, the question of whose hands might someday hold my Myst book are unsettling to me. I know that my apprehensions might never be allayed, and so I close, realizing that perhaps the ending has not yet been written.
And yes, that was from memory.
- I can hear the music.

Wow..... I remember playing this for MONTHS, trying to figure out what buttons, levers, everything does. I dedicated an entire paper notebook to writing down clues, hints, and failed attempts. And then the same for Riven.
Now I simply don't have the free time to dedicate to those games.... #adulting

I remember getting stuck on Myst trying to light a fire. I kept sticking the match in and it kept not working. Got very frustrated. Took way too long to realize I had never actually struck the damn thing.
- Was this the part to get the tree elevator running?!
  
  Yarr

Bring me the blue pages
- Sirrus! Is that you?

this is actually me when i was a kid.

Best selling? Yeah right! It's a well-known fact that Myst cd-roms just kept appearing everywhere under their own volition whether you wanted them to or not. No sale or purchase ever took place.
- Ok, but did you put the disc in your red cd rom drive or the blue one?
  
  Grey, I think 🤔

The German word "Mist" translates to "Shit" btw

I never did figure out how to get past that damned piano puzzle. I should pick up the remastered version and have another go at it. I have such fond memories of it.
- If you have an Xbox I think the game is on gold. I tried to replay it earlier this year and quit pretty quick.

Was it good? Never played it and I'm thinking about getting it from GOG.com. In fact, just recommend me the best old games. The original Dungeon Keeper is probably my favourite game of all time.
- I enjoyed it back in the day but it's a different era's game. You have to enjoy throwing yourself against a brick wall for a very long time until you finally crash through the door, and possibly taking notes and making diagrams or maps as you go.
  I remember it being lush graphically, for the time, and very satisfying for the puzzles I did crack but I gave up before finishing it. I think it was some kind of blind maze that finally did it.
  
  Yeah, playing it as a kid was nightmare. I had no idea what I was getting into, so it was just sitting there alongside Need for Speed and Rollercoaster Tycoon. By the time I realized I needed a note page to keep track of obscure bits of information hidden across the map, I was already in too deep to just have a properly organized note sheet. Never wound up finishing, but I remember just scrawling numbers and words connected by branching lines like some kind of schizophrenic conspiracy theory.
  
  Also you could not just google the puzzles
- Play system shock 2!
  
  Should I play System Shock 1 to fully enjoy 2?
  
  I literally am, right now. It's extremely difficult but definitely good, particularly towards the end as the pace picks up. I didn't hoard enough anti-personnel rounds to get through the final room in the Body of the Many, so am having to replay. It's quite unforgiving like that.
- Make sure to get one of the modernized version of Myst, I think they're up to about 27 or so revisions/redos. Don't be afraid to try clues, but in all honesty the puzzles in Myst are pretty solvable by Adventure game standards.
  Riven (II) and Exile (III) are both likewise excellent, with Brad Dourif as a bonus in the third. After that, different people took over and things got awful.
  
  Definitely heard of Riven, some people say it's the better game?
- Dungeon Keeper was the shit. So much fun.
  
  I believe there is a modern spiritual successor called War for the Overworld, basically exact same game layout and mechanics with modern engine and graphics
  
  Oh yes.
- The collection is on humble bundle of you are looking to jump in.
  
  What is Homble Bondle?

The Myst devs made a new gamr just a few years ago, called Obduction
- And just this year released a new game called Firmament
  
  Obduction was good. It had some issues, but it’s up there with the classic stuff. Firmament, unfortunately, was not good. Felt more like a walking simulator. There were few puzzles and they were not difficult at all. Not sure what happened. It’s pretty though.
  Riven is by far my favorite of the classic series. They are working on a modern remake of that next and I’m pumped!
- I found obduction looked amazing, but the puzzles were "follow wire, flip the switch".
  A modern game that really captures the Myst feeling for me was Quern: Undying Thought.
  I think some of the original Cyan Games Devs started their own studio for it, and it really captures the Myst feeling.
  Puzzles are hard but satisfying. I think there is 1 grindy puzzle that just takes a lot of work, but everything else is mental models of systems, hints and clues, using things in different ways.
  And a nice story behind it as well.
- Also remade the game in VR. It was my first playthrough and it was awesome.

Looks like we need a c/sbubby
- We already have one.
  !sbubby@lemmy.world
  
  Excellent

I had this for Sega Saturn. Near the end of the game one puzzle would generate a screen with a bunch of numbers and letters and crash. I thought it was part of the game until a walkthrough showed I was doing it right but something was broken on my disc. I still loved the game even though I couldn't progress passed that point.

This meme, 3 days after I find out hbomberguy has a deep dive on myst, patreon only... the universe conspires against me
- Wait he does? Looks like I'm subbing
- Also. Humble bundle with the myst collection.

I had more fun with PYST.
The humor was way over my head and probably hasn't aged well, but it was fun at the time.
- You can find out if it aged well if you want!
  https://archive.org/details/pyst-1996
  It was written by Peter Bergman of the Firesign Theater. It has its moments because of that.
- Oh! I remember playing this! I will say that even back then it was very one note in its humor and lacking in depth. I was very disappointed with the shallowness of the end product.
  
  It was about right for the age I was - that is, too young to be playing it

It's easy, you get the red pages... Or the blue pages... Oh crap, there is green pages?! WTF is this white page!!!!!
Get the D'nii out of here!!

Fun Fact: "Mist" is German for "manure". And they did not change the title for the German release.
Make of that information what you want.
EDIT: I just remembered that it was called "Myst" ... still the same pronounciation.