Muslims who voted for Trump upset by his pro-Israel cabinet picks

No fucking shit.
Go fuck yourself.
- No need. I’m pretty sure Trump will fuck them with round 2 of the Muslim ban, but I hope I’m wrong.
  
  It will not involve lube.
  It will not be pretty.
  It will not be quick.

"Hey, asshole. Shut up and get on the plane."- Trump Administration to this chucklefuck in a couple months.
You voted for this, you stupid motherfucker. Now you get to enjoy the ride like the rest of us.
- There won't be planes, or deportations. There will only be caged slave laborers in concentration camps owned by his friends, with the government (read taxpayers) paying the rent month after month, year after year.
- They're the sort of assholes who'd only have ham sandwiches on the flight

I didn’t think the leopards would eat my face!
I mean what did they expect? Yes, i didn’t agree with Bidens current policy or what Kamala was going to do, but I knew trump would be worse.
- Man, Americans are so fat even our leopards overeat.

I honestly have no idea how any Muslim could vote for Trump unless they were completely ignorant. He is not their friend by any stretch of the imagination. It's not going to end well for them.
- Conservative religious beliefs and ignorance often go hand-in-hand.
  
  What comes first, the ignorance or the religion.
- Previous election 80% of them voted for Biden.
  Did the Democrats eat their face in some way? Like by exterminating a Muslim population?
  
  Whether Israel gets the weapons from America, Russia, South Africa, Britain, Korea, China or wherever. They are going to find a way to arm themselves and defend themselves. Decades of warfare against other countries pushes the Israelis to commit some pretty disgusting acts. Trying to blame an American political party on either side is not an intelligent response.

Why oh why didn't anyone warn them?
- They were too busy praying to Trump

All this time/effort organizing around him when a 5 minute Google search would have shown you he'd pledge unquestioning support for Netanyahu
- Not to mention Trump's "sharpie realignment" of Israel's border during his last term. These people have rocks in their heads if they thought this was going to go any other way.
- This is what I don't get.
  Trump is like everyone's marvel superhero, he's whatever they imagine they want, the alternative to everyone else... Even very legitimate and thought out criticism can somehow conclude with supporting Trump when that makes no sense.

Dumb fucks

These are not smart people.
- You are the reason I dislike liberals.
  You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
  Be more like AOC. She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
  
  Do you know anyone in your personal life that fell victim to a scam? Used car? Telemarketer?
  How many times would it take that victim being scammed by the same person before you called them dumb?
  
  I read some of the comments from AOC's constituents. Many of them were not smart people either.
  If you want to learn what it takes to sway dumb people, you can run a very unethical campaign like Trump's and get the Presidency.
  
  You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
  Strong anti-generalization assertion.
  Except
  You are the reason I dislike liberals.
  Ah shit, you opened with a cheesy generalization. Validating to see the"every accusation is a confession" thing holds.
  But let's get into it.
  one was bad but could be swayed
  one was worse on all counts for all criteria, was only getting worse, can't be fixed and would tear down all the checks and balances that make government work
  They picked the second option, overwhelmingly, despite the massive damage to the very fabric of the nation and the insanely worse prospects for them as a recognizable minority.
  Logic it out.
  
  She asked her constituents that voted for both her and Trump why they voted for Trump so that she could understand them.
  This is like asking someone to explain why they believe the world is flat or that we didn't land on the moon.
  
  You just look down on other people instead of trying to understand why they did what they did.
  They said while looking down their nose through a smug sense of superiority
  
  Next time she won't have to ask either
  
  Rubles.
  They did it for the rubles

Ahha hahahahahhaa hahahahaaha
- I, too, have unlocked the secret 6th stage of grief: gallows humor
  
  I thought I was alone
- Nothing about this is funny
  
  That's not happy laughter. That's "look at the thing you've done to all of us" laughter.

No way. The guy who said he'd give Netanyahu a blank check to destroy Gaza opposes Islam? Color me fucking shocked.
- Blank check? they already had one and have been bypassing Congress to fund them already under Biden
  
  I love how you're getting downvoted for posting a graph with factual data on it. I guess this is the "less harm" that democrats keep pleasuring themselves over. Republicans are worse than democrats in general, but on this issue they really are the same. Ah, but we shouldn't let facts get in the way of people having fun mocking minorities having their relatives massacred in a genocide. Your factual data is really dragging the mood down in this party.
  
  But also according to your graph none of this is anything new.

Yep the leopards are getting morbidly obese right now.
- People with faces upset the leopards started eating them.

It's almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn't acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire
- Kamela wanted a ceasefire
  So did biden, reportedly.
- Stop. Just stop.
  It's a post-truth world. Just...give up. We're all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed "facts" consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It's their news. It's their friends. It's their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It's in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.
  You can't compete with that. That's brainwashing on a societal level.
  You can't both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.
  I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when "I told you so". Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.
  
  You're blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don't have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.
  If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.
  I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people's attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.
- Oh lord +25 -2
  Blatant lies sure are popular here.
  Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.
  
  Lol, no he didn't, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.
  Troll harder
  PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand...

Trump unleashing the leopards to eat the people’s faces.
Exactly as he promised.

Seriously? What did they think was going to happen with donvict in office? I just can't even right now. If I thought things would be any better in 4 years, I'd beg/borrow/steal to get on that 4 year cruise...

Now that is just plain stupid. One can make a moral argument for not wanting to vote for genocide, since the situation is similar, but not the same(!), as the famous Trolley Problem. But actively voting for the other pro-genocide option because you believed him to be a peace candidate? ... This is something that needs honest analysis and reflection. Both by these voters as well as by the Democratic Party. How the hell could Trump with his abysmal record be perceived as the peace candidate by so many? I do expect though, that all the involved parties will learn the wrong lessons from this.
With all the blame, shaming and hate towards Muslim, Arab, African and Latino Americans we should also not forget: The only ethnic demographic from which Trump got a majority is: White voters.
- Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was "the same as" Trump. That's patently false. Someone else said it best. Most of these people are in their own echo chambers and trying to get them to actually behave and vote in their own best interest is becoming nearly futile these days. It's too easy for people to put themselves into those echo chambers.
  
  Stupid people wanted to claim that Harris was “the same as” Trump.
  What we have here are voters who thought Trump would be better than Harris, not the same. I can understand, even if it's technically wrong, when people feel that genocide is genocide. And they see what is happening there as an extension to them (which any psychotherapist who's dealt with someone of an ethnic group which is in war can attest to).
  Most of these people are in their own echo chambers
  Although this is most probably a factor, I believe this to be too simple an explanation. So about the media landscape: Yes. Especially the so-called 'new media' is seldomly truly independent but often biased in that they peddle this false narrative that Trump is a peace candidate. Also notable is that 'alternative media' is largely seen as independent from billionaires and power, while legacy media is an arm of the establishment. So the narrative of 'us vs. them' works even better and since the biggest names lean more right or are outright Republican propaganda channels, this could translate into more people who already resent the status quo falling for them. And thanks to the engagement-optimizing algorithms they fall into these echo-chambers. Sidenote: I'm not de-legitimizing alternative outlets, but want to stress the importance of scrutinizing how they finance themselves. We just had a case of one right-wing propaganda channel being exposed as being financed by a Russian oligarch for years. (I forgot the name)
  One could also point to the rhetoric and behavior of the two candidates towards the pro-Palestinian population in the last few weeks and months before the election. One side didn't let Palestinian voices be heard and even actively and preemptively removed an elected Democrat from one of their own events, because he happened to be Palestinian American. Outside the DNC the protestors were met with disdain and ridicule by DNC delegates. And the other side came to ~~speak~~ lie to them about what he's gonna do and that he takes them seriously. People are gonna see this.
  Or generally when Harris said that she wanted the 'most lethal military in the world', while the other side talked about ending wars 'within the first 24 hours'. Outrageous but a stark contrast.
  Or the simple sentiment that with the Dems in power genocide is happening, so I'll roll the dice. The same anti-establishment sentiment that led to Trump in 2016 in the first place (economic in nature in 2016).
  Talking about anti-establishment sentiment: I know of only one exception to this. But after COVID, there's only one incumbent party in the democratic world, that came out of elections still in power. And that's Mexico. If you know any others, please feel free to enlighten me.
  The list is not extensive by any means and is just me spit-balling. If we want to understand what happened the answers are going to be much more complex.

America has too many morons

...Don't vote for Trump then?!??
If you're at this point still upset or surprised about anything the orange moron does, you're part of the problem.

Muslims were scammed in this election for voting for Trump or Jill Stein
- that's what musk was selling. to muslims and middle-easterners in michigan harris was a pro-israel, for pennsylvania's jewish population she was pro-palestine. and they were hyper-local with the targeting.. down to individual city blocks.
  
  In the few days leading up to the election I got two texts, definitely crafted to seem like they were from a Harris aligned pac, but it was saying she was unreservedly behind Israel, and seemed off. I told them to fuck the selves and reported as spam
- From the article, a little realization that the leopards are gonna eat some faces:
  Hassan Abdel Salam, a former professor at the University of Minnesota, Twin Cities and co-founder of the Abandon Harris campaign, which endorsed Green Party candidate Jill Stein, said Trump's staffing plans were not surprising, but had proven even more extreme that he had feared. "It's like he's going on Zionist overdrive," he said. "We were always extremely skeptical...Obviously we're still waiting to see where the administration will go, but it does look like our community has been played."
  But seriously, how would anyone imagine that the guy who banned Muslim refugees from entering the US wouldn't be anti Muslim?
- were scammed
  You spell 'failed critical thinking' with a w. Okay.

They're not the first.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
They won't be the last.

Muslims: We voted for Trump because Harris supports Israel! He's not hurting the right people!!!
Trump: Oh, yes. Yes we are. Now get on the fucking plane. The in-flight meal is pork chops.
- Planes costs too much. Maganazis will use cattle cars.

Voting has consequences. The time to wake the fuck up was two weeks ago. I guess the next best time is now.

If any Muslim thought he gave a shit after his first run I've got a fuck ton of bridges to sell you.
Taxes and finances would be the only reason I can see voting for Trump, and when you look at his plans those are also stupid reasons to vote for him.
So basically to any of his voters except the fabulously rich ones... put a quarter in your ass because you played yourself.

Enjoy watching the genocide of your people, you'll be next, so instead of crying crocodile tears why don't you do something PROACTIVE about it.
All the information is on the task card, you have two months, your time starts now.

Leopards ate my face, example #5937719
- All this reporting reminds me of the "But actually this Man on The Street Hated Brexit even though he voted for it" slew of stories.
  It's all just nutpicking. You'll find far more Muslim Trump voters who don't know who any of these people are. And you'll find plenty who are clapping like seals, because they're just as Murdoch Pilled and MAGA headed as their white peers.
  
  Which just goes to show the lack of critical thinking skills in a shockingly large swath of the population.

From the Reuters article on the same topic:
Trump made several visits to cities with large Arab American and Muslim populations, include a stop in Dearborn, a majority Arab city, where he said he loved Muslims, and Pittsburgh, where he called Muslims for Trump "a beautiful movement. They want peace. They want stability."
'They will be peaceful when they are dead'

I refuse to believe that people would be stupid enough to expect somebody who banned people from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen from even entering the USA in his first term to be pro-Gaza...
Nah, I actually think minorities voted more for Trump because the right have more socially conservative policies.
- That’s what I believe as well. Far left social issues should not be at the forefront of the campaign. Majority of Hispanic people I spoke to said they voted for trump either because economy, or because they didn’t agree with the Dems stance on trans rights. I’m all for equality but there are more pressing matters than which bathroom a person can use or should trans people be allowed to compete in a certain sport. Let the state decide and move on. Stop alienating the majority of Americans for less than 5% of the population.

Lol

“Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”

shocking, really.
In other news, stupid people are baffled by their own stupidity.

How could any Muslim think Trump would not be bad for them.
- I mean. Women voted for him, too. White or otherwise...l just do not get it.

Facts:
POTUS45 knew it was a one-time grift so there are no repercussions for him for abandoning his electorate.
POTUS45 repeatedly stated his desire to help Israel and not even once hinted at idea of peace for Gaza.
Haris clearly was trying to evade direct answers to Gaza questions which left significant room for after-election change
Democrats suck (at messaging, at fighting back and at playing hard ball)
Putting up ultimatums in the middle of election is doomed to failure. I can't recall one instance where it was successful. I can recall however when existing administration, outside of election cycle, yielded to public pressure...
so with just more obvious facts on the table the entire notion of giving Dems middle finger and literally helping Republicans win was not merely misguided but malicious. Being surprised by the outcome does not speak highly of people involved and their priority. If their priority was stopping the bloodshed they would've acted differently, by all means that priority was mainly middle finger to Dems.
I am acutely aware that people are dying and between two administrations the difference is at what scale and whether public has any sway with administration. Present choice out of the gate pointed for larger scale suffering and no public input.
US elections are not pragmatic - they are spectacle of emotions, which is why public elects showman.
- it's not his picks, it's POTUS45: https://lemmy.world/post/22065845

Behind door #1: Isn't as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
Behind door #2: Tried to enact laws that openly discriminate against your religion just a few years ago. And is also totally one-sided against you regarding that same war.
It's a tough choice.
- Behind door #1: Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country that involves your religion.
  They're way more one-sided about the "war" (genocide) than I imagine the vast majority of Muslim and pro-Palestinian voters are, just in the wrong direction. What part of unconditionally supplying weapons to a country that is indiscriminately slaughtering civilians is "not one sided," oh "rational_lib?"
  
  It's not one-sided because Trump is what one-sided looks like. Democrats still support trying for a Palestinian state, while Trump wants Israel to not stop at Gaza but take what remains of the West Bank too. You don't get to define the sides the way you want, we're still dealing with the American public here - and the American public is very anti-muslim and militaristic (I mean we do have to live in a world where 9/11 happened - which, by the way, was one of the more egregious examples of the counter-productive effect of attempts to make Americans care about Palestine).
  I'm the last to justify continuing aid to Israel, but if you don't understand the political difficulty of removing that aid you're just not paying attention. This will be seen as a win for Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah and the backlash will be massive with lots of accusations that Democrats are embracing anti-semetism. And Democrats know from past causes like BLM that the same people advocating very forcefully for changing policy will morph into crickets when it comes time to defend those changes from backlash, having moved on to more exciting causes. So yeah, I disagree with aid to Israel but I can't really blame them.
- Isn’t as one-sided as you regarding a war in another country
  Dems pandered to an Israeli government that was actively campaigning for their opposition. This wasn't just "your anti-genocide views are simply too extreme for the average American voter". It was "Netanyahu is funneling Russian money and propaganda into the Republican campaign apparatus while you keep telling him he's a good boy on national TV."
  Talk about leopards eating your face.

"muslims who voted for trump" you mean fucking geniuses

We're gonna see a lot more "Experts baffled Trump did x thing" and the word "unprecedented" show up in headlines again for at least the next four years. Sleep in the bed you made, fuckwads.
- Sleep in the bed you ~~made,~~ shit in, fuckwads.

I never thought leopards would eat my face!
- I heard if you coat your face in blood and lie down in long grass with your eyes closed, the leopards won't ever find you!

What did they think they would vote for? How stupid can one be?

Thoughts and prayers for the members of the Abandon Harris campaign and Muslims for Trump.

This is a joke, right?

Oh no! It's the consequence of my actions!

We tried to fucking warn them.
They can suffer through this hell the same way the rest of us do, only they get to know they caused it.

Got exactly what they voted for.

What were they expecting? He showed everyone who he was and they still voted for him.

Local sheep upset that wolf he voted for has appointed butchers to several cabinet positions

Love the blaming of Muslims instead of the mass uninformed…

But compare this post to when they're mad about Anti-Jewish picks:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/trumps-ag-pick-called-adl-racist-invited-holocaust-denier-to-state-of-the-union/?utm_campaign=most_popular&utm_source=website&utm_medium=article_end&utm_content=1
No shade at any Jewish voters who voted for trump strangely...
- It's crazy how many prefer to blame the uncommitted movement, people who fought the hardest to change the Democratic Party's unconditional support for genocide through every democratic channel possible, over the Democratic Party for refusing to change position, at the cost of critical voters in swing states.
  I would expect a campaign who's key concern is winning against a fascist to do everything in their power to win as many votes as possible.
  
  You forget why trump is even a thing in national politics...
  In 2015 when the primaries happened Hillary's campaign controlled the DNC and pushed for trump because he was the worst possible opponent and they thought it would scare people into voting for Hillary despite her being wildly unpopular.
  They're 1 out of 3, but the DNC leadership loves trump because he lets them run even less popular moderates and take bribes from even worse industries/billionaires while still having a 33% chance of winning.
  To them, it's a smart bet.
  Which is why we shouldn't let them anywhere near the DNC.
  They could have easily beat trump, but the want the awful "compromises" they say they have to do to win elections. It's why they keep saying it despite it never helping
  
  This wasn't a no-brainer. There were far more Jewish people who'd tank the election toward Trump and give us this same shit show. The only viable hope was intense pressure afterward. Trump was always far more likely to backstab than Kamala, at least with her there was a chance of stronger pressure than Biden, vs. zero pressure from Trump.

It’s not like they weren’t warned.

At this point I'm worried about the leopards. Those guys are going to be battling chronic obesity very soon.
- At least they'll have access to health care.
  Shit, wait.

When someone has a dog shit for brains, you do not pity them. You just put them outside, so they don’t stink up the house.

[Scene opens on a wide, desolate savanna at dusk. The camera slowly pans over a leopard lying under a tree, its large body barely able to move. The sun is setting, casting a cold, dim light over the scene. Soft wind rustles through the dry grass. The leopard’s eyes are dull, its breathing labored.]
Narrator (soft, somber voice): In the wild, leopards are meant to stalk, to hunt, to climb. But for some, this is no longer possible. These are the leopards of the forgotten savanna... the ones who can no longer live the life they were born to lead.
[Cut to a close-up of another leopard, this one lying next to a watering hole, panting heavily. The camera lingers on its enormous, bloated body, its paws barely able to reach the ground. The leopard’s eyes seem vacant, devoid of the wild spark they once had.]
Narrator: Overfed and unable to move, these leopards have been left to a slow, painful existence. They can no longer hunt their prey, no longer climb the trees to escape danger, no longer feel the thrill of the chase. They are trapped in their own bodies.
[Cue the soft, mournful opening chords of "Angel" by Sarah McLachlan. The camera slowly pans over a third leopard, sluggishly trying to rise, but its massive weight prevents it from standing. It lets out a heavy sigh, its once-strong legs buckling beneath it.]
Narrator: They are the forgotten victims of a world that has abandoned them. Too fat to run, too weak to fight... These leopards are slowly fading, one breath at a time. They need your help.
[Cut to a shot of a leopard staring out over the savanna. The camera lingers on its face, eyes half-closed, its expression one of quiet resignation.]
Narrator: For just $3 a day, you can provide the care and support these leopards so desperately need. A donation will help give them the chance to live a life of dignity. Help them find their way back to the wild they were meant to roam.
[The music swells as the camera fades to black, and the words "Your donation can make a difference" appear in white text on the screen.]
Narrator (whispering): Please, don’t let them suffer in silence. The time to act is now.
[The music fades out, and the SPCA logo appears in the corner, along with a toll-free number and website for donations.]
- This is a beautiful comment.

Fuckem.

Oh WELL

Oh no, the consequences of my choice!

Suck it up buttercup