UniversalMonk ban evasion
UniversalMonk ban evasion
UniversalMonk has been evading the a ban on him by posting from new accounts on !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net. That's ban evasion, which on most instances leads to an account-level ban, as far as I know. The relevant account is UniversalMonk@lemm.ee.
I'm not sure how to notify admins on lemm.ee, so I'm posting here. If ban evasion justifies an account ban on lemm.ee, then it's time. If there's a better place to send this note, let me know, and I'll do that instead.
I've shared your post with fellow moderators thank you!🤗
Hey guys,
I've reviewed the situation and don't believe Universal Monk has earned a instance ban from lemm.ee. Auk, if he continues to post in communities he's been banned from from his lemm.ee account , please let me know.
I'm going to go ahead and lock this thread, thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Ok, guys, now I get what happened. Even tho you all think I'm trolling, it's really because I'm an idiot.
So I THINK I have worked it out. Someone DM'd me the theory.
So auk's robot banned me from his community before I ever posted there under my slrpnk account, based on a downvote count that I had on another instance.
So since I never knew I was banned in his community (because the bot doesn't notify), I mistakenly posted there, and auk recognized the user name, thought I was ban evading.
So now I get it. But, auk, your bot doesn't notify people they were banned.
If people don't know they're banned (especially if they've never posted there), and then post there, I don't think it's fair to represent that as ban evasion.
But at least now I understand. I'm happy not to post there. It's all good.
Guys, I'm not a troll just because I'm still learning all the Lemmy stuff.
You are a troll and we’ve endured weeks of your bad faith reply barrages and even seen you bragging about downvotes. I don’t see any excuse for you that holds water.
It was real fun for you up until everyone quit asking you to stop and simply removed you, huh?
It may stun you to realize this, but you worked hard and earned this reputation and now you own it. It’s yours. It’s no one’s fault but your own. You had ample time and chance to contribute in earnest.
You are a troll and we’ve endured weeks of your bad faith reply barrages and even seen you bragging about downvotes.
I have only been on this slpnk instance for two days. And you can easily not "endure" me by blocking my name. So I'm not sure why you are so upset. Lemmy has plenty of tools to block voices you don't want to hear from.
Actually the "bragging" about my downvotes, was because it was trying to be weaponized against me. So I owned it and stood by my comments. And by the way, I still stand by my comments on that other instance.
I was downvoted on .world because of my opinions that Trump was gaining on Harris in the polls and posting articles saying that, plus my love for third parties. And as the election showed, what I posted was shown to be accurate.
Also, I did not vote for Trump--I voted for a Socialist third party, even tho that shouldn't matter when it comes to people downvoting me. But it does.
The most important part of all this is that all of that drama was on a different instance.
This instance isn't about that. The downvotes that this person's community bot banned me for WERE NOT based on me here on this instance.
I'm apolitical on this instance and I mostly post/comment about fitness, solar power, and cool anarchy stuff. And I have never hidden my username here or tried to hide who I was. I have never posted to any other instance with my slrpnk name.
The election is over. I don't think politics needs to come into every single discussion on this instance. And I have no desire to post again in that person's community.
The beauty of the fediverse is that it's decentralized. And no one voice or one point of view can be overpowering.
Plus this situation has been resolved here, so we can move on.
As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional, for the reasons you outlined. The part that was intentional was trolling in lemmy.world politics and some other communities until your whole user got banned, and then making new accounts and going looking for other politics communities to start up exactly the same antics in, explicitly affirming your plan to continue the same pattern of behavior. And, in the course of doing that, you managed to break some rules, set up to protect against that kind of behavior.
I'm not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don't care about. Mostly it doesn't come up, because you have to be pretty obnoxious for the bot to ban you. Almost no one even close to that boundary even posts there, because almost everyone understands how to interact with other users without collecting hundreds or thousands of downvotes.
I get that you didn't get a notification, and so probably didn't know you were banned. You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban, and then made some new accounts and started looking for new places to do it.
I think admins and mods those new places can make the decision about whether that is ban evasion, or whether they want to let you do this all again until you inevitably get banned again sometime later. People have talked with you about why what you're doing is a problem. Why they would pick that second option is something of a mystery to me, but I'll leave it up to them. I'm just relaying the information.
It would be a different story if you were just misunderstanding something, and completely open to a conversation about why you keep getting banned and what you can do differently, but you're clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.
I'm not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don't care about.
lol so your dumb bot bans randos, doesn't tell them, and you're too lazy to fix it and this guy is somehow avoiding bans he never even knew happened. this is straight ridiculous stop wasting people's times with this crap
I’m not planning to set the bot up to notify dozens of users about their bans in a community they have never posted in and don’t care about.
Right. As you admit, I didn't know I was banned. Yet you called for me to be banned from this and other instances for ban evasion. Seems unjust to me.
As I said under the other post, I do believe this evasion was entirely unintentional,
Ok, sorry, I didn't catch that you were the one that said that in the flurry of responses.
You did know you were being obnoxious previously, and refused to stop doing it until it escalated to an account ban
And for the record, I do realize that you and most people thought I was trolling in .world. But I wasn't trolling. And I don't think I should even be considered a troll. A troll is based on intent, not dislike. I had no intention to get negative reactions. But people hated me anyway. And that's totally their right.
I stand by everything I said and done there. And I accept my ban there, because I don't run the instance. Their instance, their rules.
But in my definition of Trolling, it's posting stuff JUST to get a negative response. I posted stuff IN SPITE of getting a negative response, not with the purpose to get one. I am fine with my role of being a dissenting voice.
The majority of my responses that were called "trolling" were just me responding to people. I never name-called, or was unpolite. THAT actually caused people to name-call me and call me a troll. I stand by everything I said there.
People were mad because I wasn't voting for Harris and that I was voting for third party. And they thought that I was trying to sway the election.
But as we can now see, Harris lost by such a large margin, that even all if everyone who voted for third party would have thrown their support to Harris, she still would have lost.
So my posting my support for third parties didn't change the election at all.
Here is the link to my comments and posts from .world and that community that led to my banning and bad rep: https://lemmy.world/modlog/1252?page=1&userId=9454261
People were mad because I didn't vote for Harris. But I didn't vote for Trump either. And I think it's silly to think that people were so mad about that, especially after we have now seen how the election played out.
but you’re clearly more interested in figuring out the details of the rules so you can find ways around them and keep doing your same thing.
Again, that's your assumption of my intent, but that doesn't make it a reality of my intent. I have no desire to find ways around anything.
I honestly didn't understand your anger or the ban. And I didn't realize it was just based on a bot seeing that I had downvotes. I thought bans were based on something posted.
And as we have discussed, I didn't even realize I was banned. Now you've explained it. Now I understand. And I have no desire to post in your community now.
You didn't have to come at me so hard, man. So I was just confused and it set off a flurry of responses.
Please feel free to DM anytime in the future if you have an issue with me or would like to discuss things further.
As of now, I consider the matter resolved and I appreciate your explanations.
But it really seems that you are mostly upset about what happened in the past on a totally different instance. And I was already banned from that instance, so that matter has been resolved as well.
Is having the same username on other instances a ban evasion though?
I was under the impression that a ban evasion would be being banned on an instance, creating an alt name on that instance, then continuing to post on that instance.
I thought the whole fediverse model was based on the fact that if your voice is sileneced on one instance, you could go to another instance. As long as it's not for spamming or trolling.
This is a serious question, not being facetious. I have not been banned on lemm.ee or slrpnk, nor have I posted in !pleasantpolitics@slrpnk.net after being banned there--in fact i didn't know I was banned there until just now.
I'm not sure what you're meaning. I'm not sealioning, I genuinely don't understand what you are so upset about.
Here are my post logs from both accounts:
https://slrpnk.net/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts
Being the same person who was banned, and posting from a new account, is ban evasion.
You can find a place that can put up with you, if you want to try. That's the sense in which your voice won't be silenced. The same people who've seen what you have to say and want no part of it are not obligated to continue listening to it forever, with you disabling their attempts not to hear from you anymore. That's protecting their rights to use Lemmy as they want to use it.
He will drown everyone in a never ending back and forth about minutiae of the rules while never addressing the obvious and larger issues or his own behavior head on.
Don’t let him troll you. Communities are better when they don’t focus on trolls. Getting rid of the trolls is an upkeep responsibility like weeding a garden; don’t let them shame you or demand justification for it.
But I haven't posted to any communites on this instance that I've been banned from.
Dude, you literally just banned me from your community today and I haven't posted into pleasant politics since then. Under this name or any other name.
I don't even know why you are so upset! What did I post in pleasant politics that you are so upset about?
In fact, me using the same username shows that I'm being transparent and not trying to evade bans.
If I wanted to evade bans, wouldn't I just use a different username in order to hide the fact? I'm not evading anything, nor do I plan to.
He will drown everyone in a never ending back in forth about minutiae of the rules while never addressing the obvious and larger issues or his own behavior head on.
Don’t let him troll you. Communities are better when they don’t focus on trolls. Getting rid of the trolls is an upkeep responsibility like weeding a garden; don’t let them shame you or demand justification for it.
This is a really good point. I was going to get sucked into replying after his innocent-faced reply, but there's really no point to it.