Make it about me

Ah, yes. Nothing fires up a debate quite like making someone else's problems about you

Ppl that make these kinds of comics clearly do not socialize with others irl. This only happens online with other trolls, from everywhere on the spectrum of whatever group. But irl, most people are pretty decent.

The way this comment section unironically mirrors the comic perfectly.

So many dudes here unironically talking about how men have it hard too 🤦‍♂️

WUT ABOUT MEN?!??!?

Okay, I'll just say it.

Everyone has it rough right now. Mostly because we've been thoroughly railroaded by corporations for most of our lives, but still.

Everything sucks.

I'm just going to speak my mind as a Closeted transwoman who would looks like a guy

I didn't honestly want to get involved with this thread at all in fear of creating an absolute mess

But being trans myself I see myself having empathy for both woman's and men's rights because I know and understand the issues men are facing and see the issues woman are facing

I don't like seeing the devide on either side and absolutely hate seeing the division and fighting especially when people advocate for men's rights or woman's rights

I personally advocate for both because I see everyone having rights as part of equality and equity and if you don't want any one group to have rights then that isn't equality or equity

We should be free to talk about both men's rights and woman's rights without being attacked for it

WRT the first panel, I feel that way too.

That said, is this ragebait?

Yeah, but no

There are assholes on both sides, like it or not.

Yes, there are loads of men who don't deserve the name, that put women down, who can only be happy on the back of women. Fuck them

Having said that, I very much remember that video of guys going to a support group for men that committed uicide with feminists waiting for them outside to yell things like "it's good that he killed himself!". Fuck those assholes too.

Can we maybe ALL be nice to EVERYONE?

I'm sorry, but this comic doesn't help. The reality is that both men and women face the same nonsense when they bring up what they have to contend with so how about we don't try to disparage either side? Listen to both sides? You know, the thing we should be always doing?

Responding directly to the person in the comic

I hear you when you say that as a woman, you feel societal expectations of you can be harsh and contradictory.

There isn't a way for me to experience the same things that you experience, but I can try to empathise with your experiences by comparing them with my own, and noting times when I have felt the same way. This means that I have to compare my experiences with yours. It isn't done from a place of contest, but from trying to relate.

Honestly same thing happens when we talk about men.

Tons of women coming up, saying "women have it worse" and attempting to minimize the importance if men's issues.

Let's just listen to both sides for once, and make everyone heard. When everyone is given a platform to speak, there's no need to interrupt each other.

Here is a link to a youtube primer on fascism. It describes how this strategy is used in fascisim.

I love when I'm explaining a struggle of mine that is cause of who I am and then being enrolled in the oppression Olympics.

Why does everything have to be so us-vs.-them? We all share the same planet.

I was really hoping the comments here would be better.
Embarassing, tbh.

I follow a lot of women on socials, including this artist, and this shit happens on pretty much every post they make. It's crazy to me some of them have the willpower to continue creating and posting because i sure wouldn't.

This meme is selling shovels, and the comments here are more than happy to dig holes it seems.

To everyone saying they've never seen this happen, but the opposite happens all the time, I'd like you to try something. Show this comic to a woman in your life and ask if they've ever felt this way. Just try it, and listen more than you talk.

I've noticed this an uncomfortable amount on Lemmy. Being trans, I've started bringing up my pretransition experience/traumas living as a dude even if it's not relevant whenever I talk about a women's issue that effects me because I don't get taken seriously otherwise.
Well, actually, lately I've taken up just not talking about women's issues, and really just commenting less frequently over all, because this whole place is like a mine field of people who just wanna argue. Every time before I hit send I have to think "Is somebody gonna think this is about them and get pissed with me?" And 99% of the time the answer is yes.

Honestly, I agree men's issues do need to be seriously discussed, but it's wrong to hijack discussion about women's issues to talk about men's issues. The reverse is also true.

Um, yes. This might happen a lot less if these issues that need to be talked about aren't all blamed on guys. But still yes; we constantly hear about women's problems in various media all the time, while men are usually stuck having to use some comment section to talk about their problem.

I hope that poor woman takes something for that terrible cold she has.

I’ve seen the opposite of this happen way more often. In fact, I think we should take care to let people speak on these issues without diminishing or having another issue hijack the discussion.

Anyone should be able to talk about their issues without being told that it doesn’t matter because there’s some other issue.

Upvote though because I like the discussion.

toby keith guest appearance

I have never seen this happen. I am sure it happens. Perhaps we can leave these toxic people behind. Regardless of gender, color, ...

People of all genders will continue having a bad time until we do something about the group that is hogging all of the resources/assets/freedoms, and guess what, that group is not defined by a gender. It's defined by a dollar amount.

very helpful

Usually it's a case of a well thought out decent post, but then you scroll down to comments and it's "men are trash" and etc, so you end up with a bunch of fighting, which detracts from the original point.

Prolly would be better if "comments on this are disabled" was more common practice.

Or if administrative systems actually punished people heavily for saying stuff like "(any group of people) are trash"

They should hear themselves.

Look, my cis white male cultural heritage is colonialism and centering my experience

women are the worst

Even in these comments, people don't get it, lol.

A lot of the modern "Western Chauvinism" is due to tech bros following Curtis Yarvin's ideas. JD Vance and his handler Peter Thiel are some of his followers.

The philosophy emerged out of the Neo-reactionary "dark enlightenment" period of 2014 - around the time of GamerGate, but has had Tech Bros funding it the whole time... And now they have their own VP candidate!