A story as old as federated social media, in 3 parts

Anarchy is not equal to "no rules". That's anti-anarchy propaganda.

Lemmy in itself is anarchist because each community is allowed to have its own set of rules, and each instances as well.

The point of anarchy is that if you and a group of other people disagree with how someone is handling things, you can exclude them from your group. Of course, this is all in the context of leftist and communist ideologies.

I’m really confused as an anarchist myself.

I know some anarchists who believe we should boycott the system and not vote, I know some anarchists who believe we should vote for Jill Stein because she is the most progressive candidate, and I know some anarchists (which include myself) who think along more utilitarian lines, that this election will can only end in two outcomes, and that one will cause a lot more suffering than the other, therefore I will vote for the one that causes the least suffering.

We anarchists believe more in direct action than voting, but that doesn’t mean we can’t vote.

I’m very concerned about this censorship of discourse on an anarchist community. And want to know what the moderator who made this decision’s rationale was. Would this comment be removed in !anarchism@slrpnk.net because I say not all anarchists vote for Jill Stein?

I don’t think mods should be moderating their own posts, generally.

Doesn't seem very anarchist

YDI: Going to an anarchist space to spout anti-anarchist viewpoints makes the use of mod powers to remove such viewpoints reasonable. It's like going to a vegan place to argue about the benefits of meat, or going to a feminist place to argue "not all men".

Some anarchist communities are setup for this sort of debate. Some are not. Both are OK to exist.

Mainly BPR imo. I can sympathise with the mod not wanting the thread to be hijacked by crazed Democrats telling everyone to vote, vote, vote, as though that will address any of the concerns raised by Greta. The clear message from Greta is that voting is not sufficent to move the dial on US policy in these areas. She didn't recommend to vote or not to vote, she just pointed out (correctly IMO) that only voting won't move the dial on many problematic US policies that both major parties are aligned on. That requires large-scale direct action.

I think there's a fundamental misunderstanding by a lot of liberals who think anarchism means 'no rules' and 'free speech' no matter what. That's more like libertarianism than anarchism though. Anarchism is more about directly opposing or subverting the existing external power structures (aka authority) of state and capitalism instead of working within them to effect meaningful change (e.g. by voting in a 2-party system where both parties share the majority of policies).

So advocating for not voting but instead engaging in direct action against problematic US policies is entirely consistent with an Anarchist view. But so is advocating for voting and engaging in direct action. So if any libs were advocating for both things and had their comments removed then I think there's maybe a bit of PTB involved in those cases. But if all they are saying is vote, vote, vote, then it's perfectly reasonable to remove those comments imo.

Thanks. Blocked him, the guy saying to vote for Putin Shill Jill and the community.

Anarchists believe in direct action and voting for a representative in a government is not really something anarchists typically believe in. Also Greta is not an American and really doesn't need to endorse one of your politicians one way or the other, she isn't advocating for voting, she is advocating for direct action. The fact that the thread on an anarchism board became about who to vote for and why is frankly off topic

The only genocide they care about is the one they can use to get fascism elected.

Drag thinks Greta should have been clearer about her arguments, to prevent people co-opting them for the nonvoter movement. As it is, Greta's actions could end up worsening a genocide as astroturfers con anarchists into interpreting her words as anti-voting. And not voting means supporting genocide.

Drag also thinks SLRPNK is very poorly administrated for its goal of being a leftist space. The admins consistently goof into trusting bad-faith mods spreading deceptive narratives. There needs to be some regulation against astroturfing on that site, and there isn't.

PTB, but wow, that quote made my blood pressure skyrocket.

I don't think you know what anarchism is

If anything, this liberal throwing the toys out of the pram makes me even less likely to vote. 🍉

Going on an anarchist community to spew anti-anarchism is a bannable offence. Pound sand asshole.And then going on an anarchist Lemmy instance to complain, classic.