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Here in Michigan, we know the Democrats have failed on Gaza – and they’ll pay dearly for it | Mona Mawari

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These are people who would have never, ever voted for Trump, but billions of dollars are being spent by the Democrats to slaughter our loved ones and our families. Israel has been decimating south Lebanon, where many of our relatives live, and now this administration is deploying US troops to the Middle East. Not exactly a winning strategy if they actually want our votes.

Some people think of a Trump vote as a protest vote. I have heard arguments being made along the lines of “Trump is not the person who is committing the genocide right now” or “Well, we didn’t have any wars under Trump”. I personally disagree with this, and consider Trump to be a fascist and fearmonger who deeply traumatised our communities during his presidency. He was a hateful leader who slammed the door on refugees by implementing a Muslim ban. While he didn’t start any wars, he did escalate existing wars in the Middle East and vetoed a series of bipartisan bills that aimed at prohibiting arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

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This is some weapons grade stupidity. Virtually all the pols in DC are responsible for spending to support Israel. To try and suggest that it's only the dems doing it is disingenuous at best. And whatever you think Harris will do when it comes to Israel, Trump is guaranteed to do far, far worse.
Trump to Israel: “You have to finish up your war. You have to finish it up. You’ve got to get it done,”
- Weapons grade stupidity is believing there's something Biden/Harris are doing to hold Israel back.
  
  Did someone suggest she would? I don't know why you are bringing up Biden here, in case you missed it, he's not up for election. Anyway, what I said was, whatever Harris would do if elected, Trump will do far, far worse.
- This is some weapons grade stupidity
  Maybe the 'weapons grade stupidity' is thinking that giving weapons to a country that uses them to kill innocent people will make friends with the families of those people.
  Actions have consequences. That's what karma is.
  
  And the consequence for putting trump in power is going to be many more dead innocents.
  I don't know if I'd call that karma so much as the consequence of acting like a petulant child on real world issues.
  Admittedly, if you don't actually care about the innocents in the middle East and are just another privileged first worlder who really only cares about themselves, these aren't actually consequences. But for those who will die, they are very real consequences.
- And whatever you think Harris will do when it comes to Israel, Trump is guaranteed to do far, far worse.
  I have Ukrainian heritage, although I am a third-generation immigrant elsewhere. I have to ask myself, would I be able to grasp this point if I lived in a country where both parties funded Russia to invade Ukraine? I probably wouldn't, because people are dead, and my family is still being killed.
  Tell me: what is worse than that?
  
  Voting for someone who will actively help kill your relatives, and then likely try to deport you personally from this country, would be worse.
  
  Trump
  
  Let us imagine I am being told that I can vote for Party A, which will hasten to support the hostile government of another country to kill my family in (let's say) 12 months. Or I can vote for Party B, which will put the breaks on so that it happens in 24 months, and they will also keep saying how unacceptable that is.
  Is that really a choice?
I don't at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans? Trump has said he would wholeheartedly take Israel's side and provide more support than the current administration. There isn't a choice between what you have and what you want. It's between what you have and something worse than what you have.
Trump winning doesn't force Democrats to support Gazans. It forces them to side with Israel in order to appeal to the electorate.
- I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans
  the point is that neither trump or kamala support gazans despite whatever they say and expecting a group with the closest proximity to the genocide to accept your view that one genocide is better than the other is privilege at its worst.
  
  A black and white view of the world gets you nowhere. There is a huge difference in the way that this administration has handled this war and the way that Trump says he plans to handle it. To say that there is no difference in the degree of support these people would provide to Israel or Gazans is incredibly naive. Your choices are grass flavored ice cream, or shit flavored ice cream. Vanilla isn't on the menu, and you have to pick one. "I don't like either", as if the two choices are the same, is living in a fantasy world.
  
  Thanks for saying this.
- There isn’t a choice
  Agreed, and that makes people not know how to act, because there is no reasonable way to act.
  Maybe killing innocent people is wrong, and people shouldn't do that.
  
  People who deliberately misquote people are not worth talking with. There is a choice and if you think pretending like there isn't one gets you somewhere, prepare for a very different approach to this war when Trump takes office.
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- I don’t at all understand what the point is here. Do you think that Trumo will support Gazans?
  the point is that neither trump or kamala support gazans despite whatever they say and expecting a group with the closest proximity to the genocide to accept your view that one genocide is better than the other is privilege at its worst.
  
  You replied to the wrong person, just so you know. You meant to reply to Kethal on this comment: https://alx.lemmy.blahaj.zone/lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/11244289
- I'm not sure anyone has to support Israel's war against the innocent to prefer Kamala over Trump, even though regardless of which party wins it seems that Palestinians will still die. They just have to care more about how Trump will affect them compared to how much they care about Palestinians.
  In the end, Palestinians are a faraway people, with a different skin colour and a different religion. "It is sad that they are dead, but there is nothing we can do about it."
  People seem to tend choose to let other people be harmed if resisting that harm is inconvenient to them. And that is why I do not have all that much respect for people, and do not feel emotionally attached to humanity.
  
  What a bunch of nihilistic garbage.

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