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Presidential Crimes Commission

Any Accountability At All Commission

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Impeachment exists, if only there were a functioning body of government left to do such a thing.
- Arguably, it has been tested, several times. Each time it failed, after a fashion. We should be concerned what message that sends to the next person who would contemplate engaging in such impeachment-actionable behaviors.

The third political party in the US should be The Woodchipper. You don't vote for candidates, just The Woodchipper. If The Woodchipper gets the majority of votes, all the candidates on the ticket get tossed in a fucking woodchipper and we start the election over with new candidates.
This fixes our problems, in a uniquely American way.
- Televise this, just as Carlin intended.
- This is, indeed, a more realistic solution for America than, let's say, let the president have less power. Or getting rid of the electoral college.
- Who gets to throw them in?
  
  Woodchucks
  
  A lottery is the only fair system

Why stop there? Have every President, Senator, and Member of Congress investigated at all times. Whether we think they’re corrupt or not.
- I can actually see how that would be a problem.
  
  It's innocent until proven guilty, not innocent until investigated.
  But yes, it would be politicized immediately. If only there was a way to have bad faith actors run a government smoothly, then we'd be cooking with gas.
- Maybe a stupid question, but shouldn't the FBI be doing that?
  
  The same FBI that was dismissed by Trump when they looked into him, even though he was totally guilty? Or the same FBI that told civil rights protestors to kill themselves?
  The FBI is the Federal police for crimes the common man commits, not the rich.

If we applied the standards of Nuremberg, every president would hang.
Personally I think Jimmy Carter can be rehabilitated.

I remember hoping that Obama would prosecute Bush for all of his crimes, in hindsight it was really naive.
- We JuSt NeEd To MoVe On AnD hEal As A nAtIoN!
  .... /Vomit
  
  Bush was mostly lawful evil. Trump is just a Captain Planet villain.
  
  Right? I hate that phrase as it's used here. How are we supposed to move on when national traumas are left unresolved?

I don't want Trump to win because he's more likely to create a "presidential crimes commission" full of political appointees going after the other party.
We have the legal system, if there are crimes they should be charged. The answer is not some additional political tribunal.
- Ha ha ha ha your legal system is the laughing stock of the planet
  
  glances at Europe
- We have the legal system
  I mean...do we?
- Judge shopping and legislation via court ruling have called into question the fairness and legitimacy of a once ironclad judicial system. It's being gamed right now by the wealthy and powerful to get what they want.
  
  Then the answer is fixing those issues. Saying the system isn't working so we need to ignore it and build out a new system purpose built to prosecute my political opponents is like definitional fascism. We don't need a strong man to fix everything extrajudicially, we just need the law applied fairly.

If we can't even get Trump to stop running despite being a convicted felon, I don't even know if we can catch up with the next fucker. Dude could literally shoot someone on 5th Ave and the government would go "Well, they're the president, what are you going to do about it?"
- Didn't he directly say he could shoot someone and still win the (2016) election? I swear I remember seeing that he flat out said that, I think around the time of the Republican primary debates
  
  Yes, that's where the original quote comes from.
  "I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn't lose voters."
  
  He did, he just didnt do it. I'm saying that the next dude will and the government of "law and order" won't go after him.
- Having convicted felon be able to run for office is a good thing. I don't want a Navalny situation in my country.
  An insurrectionist, though? Fuck that noise. Trump should be hanged. He tried to violently overthrow the government.
- If they don't remove presidential immunity during the next president's term in office we'll be sitting on a time bomb of WHEN, not IF, a president uses that immunity to destroy our democracy.
  I mean, I know we're probably all well aware that this is exactly why the immunity ruling was made and it makes it all the more dire that it be rectified and codified in unambiguously worded law as soon as possible.

Creating a Department dedicated entirely to Justice.

Good meme

Jailing a president is tough. We need to jail their enablers. No president acts alone

Haha yeah the government that’s currently enabling war crimes is gonna totally make a commission to hold presidents liable for crimes.
This is why nothing changes. If you start looking at one of them you have to look at all of them.

organize and take to the streets (and their pockets) if you want that to actually happen.

Only at the people who enabled him, and not he himself?

Didn't this guy threaten to nuke American gun owners?

- let us know when you develop theory of mind. meanwhile as a non-US person, I very much care which war criminal they will pick, because one will be objectively worse for the rest of the world. and I'm pretty sure a lot of other non-US people do, considering this is a country that has a billion bases all around the world and always interferes with other countries when they're not actively bombing them, so yeah it's kind of important.
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And they will be zionists because why not take the chance to covertly control the US decisions even more?
- Why Zionists specifically?
  Yes, I'm hoping you say something racist. It's why I asked.
  
  Being antizionist means you are against the Israeli government. Being antisemitic means you are prejudiced against Jews, Jewish faith etc. Two different things.
  
  I don't think you know exactly what Zionism is then. It's a political/social ideology. What does that have to do with racism? Maybe you were thinking of antisemitism?
  
  Zionism is literally jewish supremacy and pure racism. Enough with the gaslighting you PoS hasbara
  Also let me think, maybe look at the political status quo of the US where an Israeli national (Blinken) brought up by a mossad agent confidante (Epstein) is in charge of US foreign policy!!
  Maybe look at AIPAC that is bribing US policiticans and not registered as foreign agents.

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