{"comments":[{"comment":{"id":12021445,"creator_id":6340787,"post_id":13995216,"content":"The only key is taste. A lot of people say that a 2:1 water to coffee ratio pulled in 28-35 seconds is what you want to aim for. That's a great place to start, but I love some sweeter light roasts at like 40 second shots for 40g of water, 20-21g of coffee, and pretty much no one would recommend that based on averages. \n\nSo know what under and over extracted shots taste like, then aim for 40-45g water in 30 seconds with a 20-21g coffee dose, and decide if it seems more sour than you'd like (under) or bitter/cloying (over). If under, adjust to increase the brew time (experiment with both grinding finer and increasing the dose as the 2 best ways to increase extraction time). If you want to decrease the extraction time, your best best is to grind more coarsely. \n\nSo learn what tastes under-extracted to you and what tastes over, and then you'll just have to adjust grind size and dose for each bean for the flavor you like most. Keep those settings and brew by weight until you need to adjust again.","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T20:11:04.924837Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemm.ee/comment/15411138","local":false,"path":"0.12021445","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":6340787,"name":"Please_Do_Not","banned":false,"published":"2024-02-06T17:40:51.930941Z","actor_id":"https://lemm.ee/u/Please_Do_Not","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":25},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12021445,"score":31,"upvotes":31,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T20:11:04.924837Z","child_count":9},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12019598,"creator_id":1277990,"post_id":13995216,"content":"![](https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/26c56583-5e57-4031-9bd7-f97aa84179af.jpeg)\nThis almost looks like art right? lol","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:05:40.206718Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/comment/14400677","local":false,"path":"0.12019598","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":1277990,"name":"CouFou","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-14T16:19:07.190957Z","actor_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/u/CouFou","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":32},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12019598,"score":14,"upvotes":14,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T19:05:40.206718Z","child_count":1},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12020178,"creator_id":1156020,"post_id":13995216,"content":"If it tastes good your doing it right","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:33:06.497812Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://aussie.zone/comment/12601543","local":false,"path":"0.12020178","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":1156020,"name":"50MYT","banned":false,"published":"2023-08-05T08:04:11.458733Z","actor_id":"https://aussie.zone/u/50MYT","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":12},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12020178,"score":13,"upvotes":13,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T19:33:06.497812Z","child_count":0},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12024137,"creator_id":7040,"post_id":13995216,"content":"James Hoffman did a vid about this machine:\nhttps://youtu.be/qkfXNE3mkXA","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T22:56:40.556367Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemmy.world/comment/12840760","local":false,"path":"0.12024137","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":7040,"name":"pianoplant","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-18T16:58:17.414824Z","actor_id":"https://lemmy.world/u/pianoplant","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":24},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12024137,"score":2,"upvotes":2,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T22:56:40.556367Z","child_count":1},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12027014,"creator_id":89253,"post_id":13995216,"content":"If in doubt, grind finer. ","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-12T02:26:11.560954Z","updated":"2024-10-12T04:55:18.079389Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemmy.ca/comment/12153013","local":false,"path":"0.12027014","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":89253,"name":"avidamoeba","display_name":"Avid Amoeba","avatar":"https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/d451c051-3cc2-4b9b-ae35-5417d1aceb17.jpeg","banned":false,"published":"2023-07-05T02:23:01.435316Z","actor_id":"https://lemmy.ca/u/avidamoeba","local":false,"banner":"https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/b6d9746f-3999-41b0-a436-c0265efa33a8.jpeg","deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":37},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12027014,"score":2,"upvotes":2,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-12T02:26:11.560954Z","child_count":7},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12021744,"creator_id":532907,"post_id":13995216,"content":"Cute butt","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T20:49:25.691883Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemmy.world/comment/12838951","local":false,"path":"0.12019598.12021744","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":532907,"name":"Noodle07","banned":false,"published":"2023-07-20T08:26:58.977828Z","actor_id":"https://lemmy.world/u/Noodle07","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":24},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12021744,"score":10,"upvotes":10,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T20:49:25.691883Z","child_count":0},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12021465,"creator_id":11157136,"post_id":13995216,"content":"super useful comment! TY!","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T20:36:28Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://fedia.io/m/espresso@infosec.pub/t/1300685/-/comment/7700551","local":false,"path":"0.12021445.12021465","distinguished":false,"language_id":0},"creator":{"id":11157136,"name":"Atelopus-zeteki","display_name":"Atelopus-zeteki","banned":false,"published":"2024-08-13T20:08:38Z","actor_id":"https://fedia.io/u/Atelopus-zeteki","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":34},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12021465,"score":6,"upvotes":6,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T20:36:28Z","child_count":8},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12023593,"creator_id":6340787,"post_id":13995216,"content":"Happy to help! Everyone deserves great coffee at home!","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-11T22:23:41.855732Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemm.ee/comment/15413780","local":false,"path":"0.12021445.12021465.12023593","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":6340787,"name":"Please_Do_Not","banned":false,"published":"2024-02-06T17:40:51.930941Z","actor_id":"https://lemm.ee/u/Please_Do_Not","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":25},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12023593,"score":4,"upvotes":4,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-11T22:23:41.855732Z","child_count":7},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12042249,"creator_id":1277990,"post_id":13995216,"content":"Yeah I've seen all of the videos about the machine so far. My biggest worry is the reliability but if it doesn't last at least it will be a good start towards something fancy.","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-12T20:23:53.514499Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/comment/14418802","local":false,"path":"0.12024137.12042249","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":1277990,"name":"CouFou","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-14T16:19:07.190957Z","actor_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/u/CouFou","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":32},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12042249,"score":2,"upvotes":2,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-12T20:23:53.514499Z","child_count":0},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12035506,"creator_id":1277990,"post_id":13995216,"content":"That's part of my issue. Since this machine suggests the grind it is already at the finest grind. Not sure if it is worth changing the temp or the ratio yet but I'm happy with the results so far. I've only run two types of beans through it and the bean in the picture is an espresso blend. Tastes alright but now I just need to try more beans to get a better idea on taste.... lol I've got a bialetti and didn't fully know how to use it for years. Last time I used it the power was out and I grinded my beans using my car's electrical port and the BBQ to brew. I've been grinding strong drip coffee and just buying my beans at costco(found the costco espresso to be terrible tasting in my drip machine though). ","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-12T14:22:24.912613Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/comment/14413384","local":false,"path":"0.12027014.12035506","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":1277990,"name":"CouFou","banned":false,"published":"2023-06-14T16:19:07.190957Z","actor_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/u/CouFou","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":32},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12035506,"score":3,"upvotes":3,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-12T14:22:24.912613Z","child_count":5},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12028098,"creator_id":1254231,"post_id":13995216,"content":"I go with \"if I get my 40 grams in less than 25 seconds grind finer\" ","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-12T03:53:49.471802Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://aussie.zone/comment/12607693","local":false,"path":"0.12027014.12028098","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":1254231,"name":"psud","banned":false,"published":"2023-07-26T11:01:54.112981Z","actor_id":"https://aussie.zone/u/psud","local":false,"deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":12},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12028098,"score":1,"upvotes":1,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-12T03:53:49.471802Z","child_count":0},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false},{"comment":{"id":12036376,"creator_id":89253,"post_id":13995216,"content":"Wait is this the new Ninja machine James shows off a couple of weeks ago?\n\nAlso \"grind finer\" is a running joke that \"any problem with espresso brewing can be solved by grinding finer.\" It's obviously not true. 😂 ","removed":false,"published":"2024-10-12T15:02:26.939473Z","deleted":false,"ap_id":"https://lemmy.ca/comment/12160749","local":false,"path":"0.12027014.12035506.12036376","distinguished":false,"language_id":37},"creator":{"id":89253,"name":"avidamoeba","display_name":"Avid Amoeba","avatar":"https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/d451c051-3cc2-4b9b-ae35-5417d1aceb17.jpeg","banned":false,"published":"2023-07-05T02:23:01.435316Z","actor_id":"https://lemmy.ca/u/avidamoeba","local":false,"banner":"https://lemmy.ca/pictrs/image/b6d9746f-3999-41b0-a436-c0265efa33a8.jpeg","deleted":false,"bot_account":false,"instance_id":37},"post":{"id":13995216,"name":"Before and After","url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","body":"Had my espresso machine for a week now and still have no clue if I'm doing it right... lol","creator_id":1277990,"community_id":16043,"removed":false,"locked":false,"published":"2024-10-11T19:04:26.428700Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"thumbnail_url":"https://sh.itjust.works/pictrs/image/361581c5-d304-4006-9353-74435e073ff7.jpeg","ap_id":"https://sh.itjust.works/post/26485213","local":false,"language_id":37,"featured_community":false,"featured_local":false,"url_content_type":"image/jpeg"},"community":{"id":16043,"name":"espresso","title":"Espresso","description":"# Strong, potent coffee news for strong, potent coffee lovers.\n\nHoping to mirror the great community of r/espresso. \n\nWe are a kind and accepting community for those who love, want to love, are getting into, or are interested in espresso and espresso accessories.\n\n## Rules\n\nI didn't think we needed this section on Lemmy, but...\n\n* All of the rules of this instance.\n* Be nice. \n* Be respectful. \n* No trolling.\n* Basically, don't be a dick. \n\n(No exceptions)\n\n------------------------\n\n## Resources\n\nHere is the [main resource](https://www.home-barista.com/resources.html) from the same sub, since it's amazing.\n\nIf any of the original mods, or anyone else who loves espresso, would like to take control or help mod, please let me know. I'd be as happy to help as to pass the reigns.\n\nA gracious community member has added[ some of the resources](https://lemmy.world/post/66717) from the Reddit sub. \n\n\n-----------------------------------------------------\n\n(I tried to grab all of the links from it, please let me know if I missed any)\n\n\n\n\nLinks\n\n[Google Sheets List of Espresso Machines](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1vJv2AGJ1ZSm1TSdoixfJADh5z1CAZjzqjmTz5vrKEj4/edit?usp=sharing)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Discord](https://discord.gg/espresso)\n\n[Espresso Aficionados - Wiki](https://espressoaf.com/) (as of May 2023, this is the most up-to-date resource for machine recommendations and it has a bunch of detailed guides for how to dial in espresso, puck prep & troubleshooting, and more advanced techniques!)\n\nEspresso 101\nEspresso starts with the coffee bean. Fresher is better. As u/Beans_McGhee says, \"The beans really need to be roasted within the month you use them for perfect espresso.\" Store-bought beans are fine, really—but part of the \"fun\" of espresso is trying different beans.\n\nYou grind your coffee beans using a grinder. This sub has lots of opinions on grinders.\n\nThe amount of ground coffee you use is called the dose. So when u/SingularLattice says, \"Make sure you have the right dose for your basket\", that's what he means.\n\nA basket is the little metal cup that goes in your portafilter—that's the metal thing with a handle on it. Espresso machines often come with 4 baskets: a single and a double in both unpressurized and pressurized. Doubles are the larger ones; pressurized variants are a different shape and may say \"dual wall\" on the bottom.\n\nYou would use dual-wall if you are using pre-ground coffee. Almost everyone will make (\"pull\") double shots—when you get into weights and times, it's all based on a double. So you should likely use the unpressurized (single wall) double basket.\n\nAdvanced practitioners will dose by weight. Typically, you'd want ~7g for a single shot and ~18g for a double shot. Automatic grinders may dose by time: this will get you \"close enough\". Thus, the \"single\" dose will be around 7g and the \"double\" will be around 18g. (You can fine-tune these amounts—more on that later.)\n\nCoffee grounds are light and fluffy, but you want them to be compact for espresso, so you tamp them (with your tamper). Advanced practitioners will calibrate their tamping pressure (e.g., with spring-loaded tampers)—don't worry about that. Just give it a reasonable amount of force. If you're putting your whole body weight on your tamper, that's too much.\n\nYou will get a feel for the right amount of force. You can also look at the level of the grounds in the basket. Use shape of your tamper or other tool to estimate how much space should be between your (tamped) grounds and the top of the basket.\n\nAs u/SingularLattice says, \"You need to tamp FLAT, not hard. So long as it’s firm, you’re good.\"\n\nAt the advanced level, preparing espresso is all about ratios, namely weight and time. Generally, you want a 2:1 ratio in about 30 seconds. The 2:1 ratio means the ratio of your dose (i.e., ~18g) to the resulting espresso (i.e., ~36g). The process of brewing espresso is called extraction.\n\nMany espresso machines will do this for you! When you press the double shot button, it will dispense enough water to make the \"right\" amount of espresso... presuming you're using the right basket and the right dose! With such machines (e.g., the Breville Barista Express, or BBE), what you should do is watch the pressure gauge. It should be in the \"espresso range\". (Advanced practitioners will measure pressure in bars—you want ~9 bars in an ideal world.)\n\nIf the pressure is low, you either need more grounds (higher dose)—which you can get by adjusting the grind amount—or a finer grind—which you can get by adjusting grind size. You may also need to tamp harder, but typically this isn't the problem.\n\n(If your pressure is too high, the inverse is true... but this doesn't happen very often.)\n\nEvery bean is different, and so needs different settings to produce a good result—in your case, to keep that pressure dial where you want it. The process of adjusting these different settings is called dialing in.\n\nYour goal here is a well-extracted shot. That's all about how it tastes! Espresso should be sweet and balanced. If it's sour, it's under-extracted (to which you would grind more and/or finer); if it's bitter or astringent, it's over-extracted (to which you would do the opposite).\n\nEveryone here is adjusting all these variables (bean, pressure, grind size, dose, ratio, extraction time, and more) in search of the perfect shot!\n\n(Derived from this post by u/basseq.)\n\nWhat espresso machine should I buy?\nGreat question, and a very common one. Generally, there are two key inputs:\n\nHow much do you want to “tinker” with your espresso? Do you want to play with different variables, or just wake up to a good coffee?\n\nHow much do you want to spend?\n\nEspresso can be a very expensive hobby, so the answer to the second question can you get to the best bang for your buck.\n\nRemember that espresso is not just the machine. The other notable expense is the grinder, which can be as much as—if not more expensive—than the machine itself. There’s also some key accessories (notably a scale) and the cost of good coffee itself ($15+/lb).\n\nRecommendations by Budget\n<$500 – Bare Bones\nIf you’re looking to step up from a Nespresso or just drink less Starbucks, start here. There are really two ways to go:\n\nManual ($250–$300) – Flair Neo ($125) + 1Zpresso JX ($130).\n\nAutomatic ($450–$500) – Breville Bambino ($350) + Baratza Encore ($170).\n\nThe DeLonghi Dedica ($350) is also a solid choice. For grinders, you can also check out the Breville Dose Control ($150), or upgrade to the 1Zpresso J-Max ($230). The Sette 30 ($300) and Mignon Notte ($320) grinders are solid, but may put you above $500.\n\nIf you’re really looking to do espresso on the cheap, forego the grinder and work with pressurized portafilters on the Neo or Bambino. Many of us started with things like the DeLonghi EC155 ($100), but it’s hard to recommend.\n\nKeep in mind that the espresso you get in a cafe was ground on a grinder that cost around $2000 and brewed on a machine that cost at least $15,000. You can't shrink all of that into a sub $300 setup without a huge loss of quality. –u/MyCatsNameIsBernie\n\n$500–900 – Entry Level\nIf you think you’re “serious” about espresso, this may be a better entry point than above, which you might outgrow sooner than later. There are two common choices here:\n\nAll-In-One – Breville Barista Express ($750) or Pro ($850). While the community sees the built-in grinder as the weak spot (no upgrade path), and long-term reliability can be spotty, it an easy and popular entry point into the prosumer market.\n\nSeparate Setup ($800–900) – Gaggia Classic Pro ($500) + Baratza Sette 270 ($400) – The Gaggia is a classic and time-tested, with lots of options in the used market.\n\nSomething like a Bambino Plus ($500) or Lelit Anna ($570) might also work. There are a lot of good grinders in this range: the DF64 ($400), Eureka Mignon Silenzio ($470), Baratza Vario ($480), and Rancilio Rocky ($430) are all well-regarded.\n\nIf you’re strapped for cash, the r/espresso guidance is to prioritize the grinder. Better to run a cheaper machine (Bambino/Dedica) with a nicer grinder than the other way around.\n\n$900–$1,500 – The Standard\nThe endgame for many people, this range is probably the “sweet spot” for great espresso without going over the deep-end.\n\nThe r/espresso Standard – Rancilio Silvia ($850) + Niche Zero ($680) – The Silvia is a classic, moddable, and can be found used.\nFor this price range, the alternate choice might be something like a Lelit Glenda ($900), or pairing a Gaggia with a nicer grinder. For grinders, ECM and Profitec both have offerings ($550), Baratza Vario W+ ($600), Eureka Mignon Specialita ($700), or any of the ones in the previous category. You can start mixing and matching machines and features and specs.\n\n$1,500–3,000 – Prosumer\nWe’re getting heavily into the “prosumer” market now, and there are less common machine+grinder pairings, so we’ll start looking at them separately.\n\nMachines – Profitec Pro ($1,800), ECM Classika ($1,600), Lelit Elizabeth ($1,700), Rocket Appartamento ($1,700). The land of shiny chrome and lots of knobs. The Breville Dual Boiler ($1,600) is in this range too.\n\nGrinders – Mazzer Mini ($800), Mahlkonig X54 ($750), Eureka Oro ($800).\n\n$3,000+ – Dream Machines\nFrom here, it’s dream machine land and the art of the possible. If you’re asking, “What should I buy,” you probably shouldn’t start here.\n\nMachines – Lelit Bianca ($2,900), ECM Synchronika ($3,200), Decent DE1 ($3,500), plus some offerings from Isomac, Rocket, Elektra, or Nuova Simonelli. You get into true “endgame” machines like La Marzocco Linea Mini ($5,900) or Slayer Single Group ($10,000).\n\nGrinders – Eureka Atom 75 ($1,400), Mahlkonig E65S ($2,300), KafaTek Monolith Flat ($2,500), Weber EG-1 ($3,700).","removed":false,"published":"2023-06-07T00:12:07.828555Z","updated":"2023-07-25T22:00:06.065678Z","deleted":false,"nsfw":false,"actor_id":"https://infosec.pub/c/espresso","local":false,"icon":"https://infosec.pub/pictrs/image/5a6528bc-c9a8-41ad-9bf5-a10f46634907.jpeg","hidden":false,"posting_restricted_to_mods":false,"instance_id":86,"visibility":"Public"},"counts":{"comment_id":12036376,"score":2,"upvotes":2,"downvotes":0,"published":"2024-10-12T15:02:26.939473Z","child_count":4},"creator_banned_from_community":false,"banned_from_community":false,"creator_is_moderator":false,"creator_is_admin":false,"subscribed":"NotSubscribed","saved":false,"creator_blocked":false}]}