Anon recommends a cast iron pan
Anon recommends a cast iron pan
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I bought a $20 cast iron pan at target, I season it like once a year. I just wash it and make sure to dry it, I’m sure this is against the rules. Seems to work fine for me though. I wouldn’t say it’s nonstick but it’s mostly fine.
A $20 Teflon pan would be flaking and unusable, so for $20 it’s a good deal.
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I bought those cheap marble coated pan, now entering 2 years of frequent use, other than tiny bit of degraded non-stick capability, it works just fine, didn't even chip. I bought an expensive teflon once, it only last around half year before it start chipping. Teflon is just bottom tier coating now.
I also own a cheap cast iron skillet, cook with it frequently, wash with soap and only heat dry it, didn't even bother with seasoning after washing, it now has a nice, smooth patina on it that mostly non-stick. I genuinely don't get why people always baby a cast iron, it's a hilux, not a cybertruck.
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I have a cast iron griddle that I use once a year at my mom's house. I leave it in the outdoor grill when I'm done using it and don't even clean it. The next time I go to use the grill, I take out the cast iron griddle and just leave it out in the elements and it rusts like crazy.
Then, the day I'm ready to use it again, I scour the shit out of it, heat it up to 500-600°, throw some oil on it like a greased up whore, and get the lowest quality seasoning on it.
Then I use it to grill some ears of corn so they don't turn black from the soot of all the wood I burn to heat the outdoor grill. Once the corn is done cooking, I close off the grill and tell the cast iron griddle to go fuck itself.
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That sounds like a waste of effort to me, but you do you.
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lemm.ee has a profanity filter too?
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Do test cast iron pans for lead please. Even cheap ones from Target (especially cheap ones)
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How can I test one for lead?
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The FDA bans lead in cookware: https://blogs.edf.org/health/2023/08/15/fda-says-cookware-that-exhibits-any-level-of-leachable-lead-upon-testing-is-prohibited/
Although I'm a little surprised it took until 2023 to make this happen. In any case, stuff bought at retail should be fine. I'd be very surprised if Lodge cookware--what Target usually sells--ever had lead in it.
Amazon stuff, though? That place is a leaky sieve of Chinese goods that wouldn't normally be allowed.
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It's fine and good to wash cast iron - particularly if you had something corrosive in there. Don't do it in the dishwasher (change in heat can be bad for it - same reason not to machine wash kitchen knives).
People who say washing your pan will remove the seasoning have not properly seasoned their pans or see food residue washing out and think it is the polymerized oils bonded to the metal that are washing out. If that's the case, they are washing way too aggressively.
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There used to be some truth to the advise of not washing cast iron because those old-fashioned soaps had lye that could break down the seasoning. So I guess if you like to use boutique soaps you should be mindful if they contain lye. But if you're just using dawn dish soap like probably 90% of everybody, go to town, you're not going to remove seasoning with dish soap
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Don't these pans last like generations, being passed down? I doubt your grandma and her grandma were bothering to apply 8 coats of flaxseed oil and heating it up to 1000 degrees and the pans would still perform as expected for ages
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Has anyone outside of a commercial kitchen ever actually destroyed a stainless steel pan though
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Reject tradition. Embrace forever chemicals.
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BerlingerHaus uses some kind of artifical stone instead of teflon. I've only got a grill pan so far but it's easier to use and to clean than teflon. Surely wherever you are has something similiar?
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Enameled cast iron is definitely a thing, our le cruset Dutch oven is a work horse
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some kind of artifical stone
Ceramic - similar to glass in that it's made by melting sand (tiny stones)
My pans are ceramic, they're great nonstick pans. Usually any patina of burn-on is easy to clean off with some barkeeper's friend. Everything else comes off in cooking. Still wouldn't use metal utensils on it though as at the end of the day it is still just a coating and scraping it will degrade my pan. But they're still like new a couple years after buying them and they're very aesthetically pleasing pans to boot. And no pfas to my knowledge.
One of them is an aldi find, safe in the oven up to 450°
The other one is just a t-fal frying pan with a plastic handle. So not oven safe at all.
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Skillet issue
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Stainless steel I swear by though. Easy to clean and nothing sticks if you heat the oil properly.
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While oil is necessary, It's more about how you preheat it and your technique, rather than how you oil it; no amount of oil is going to save you from over crowding a cold pan.
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Yep, the old hot pan cold oil technique you use with a traditional woks works well with cast iron, carbon steel, and stainless steel.
You basically get the pan as hot as you can, coat with enough to cover the pan with a thin layer of oil, and heat until smoking. Dump out your hot oil and add your cold oil and then your ingredients. If you get good at hot pan cold oil you can make just about anything nonstick.
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you're telling me the infomercial lied to me?!
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My sauce pans are stainless and are The Shit. Had them four years now and they’re still in good order.
My frying pan is cast iron and is The Shit. Had it a year and it’s still as good as when I bought, and I use it every day.
I will never go back to flaky non-stick bullshit.
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Stainless steel sticks because you need more butter in your pan 👌
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it's so much better than stainless
debatable but i think so
it takes a little maintenance
everything needs maintenance in the sense that you have to clean it. jokes aside, the only maintenance it needs is to burn oil in it if the seasoning got a little damaged for any reason
can't cook anything tomato based
you can, it's not great but won't ruin it
eight coats of oil you have to burn onto it before you can use it
that's not true, all cast iron pans come pre-seasoned from the factory
you can cook fried eggs and steak
that is true
even after seasoning it everything will still stick to the pan
not really, it's pretty non-stick
to clean it you gotta heat it up then dry salt scrub then re-season
not really, you only need to do that if the seasoning got damaged
if water ever touches it the entire thing will disintegrate
that's not true, you'd have to leave it in water for days to get it to rust
things that aren't mentioned: you gotta use it regularly otherwise it gets sticky; you can use metal tools like knives and spatulas directly in the pan that would demolish any teflon; the seasoning is more resilient than people think, you can even wash it with dish soap; the seasoning actually gets stronger when you fry fatty things in it (grilled cheese, steaks, eggs, sausages); it's very simple, durable, rustic, old technology, and incredibly cheaper than skillets of a similar quality (excluding cheap teflon pans); you can unrust it in your garage and even weld it back together if it breaks, which is sick as hell.
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"some of this is true"
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I'm with you 100%.
I'll add that I rarely use my cast iron in the kitchen, preferring to use it on camping trips or the grill. Why? The sheer heft of the thing could accidentally cause my glass cooktop some trouble. For those occasions, I reach for my well-seasoned carbon steel pans: much lighter with most of the same non-stick situation as the iron skillet.
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I don't know your glass cooktop, but i'd be shocked if the weight of a cast iron was enough to damage it. Does this mean you also wouldn't put a cooking pot full of water on it? Mine had no problem, didn't even get scratched which i was worried it might.
That said i do think cast irons can be too heavy for some people, especially when it's full
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you can unrust it in your garage
You can very easily de-rust cast iron cookware with Ospho which is basically phosphoric acid (Loctite naval jelly available at Lowe's is the same stuff in gelled form, which is a bit grosser). Obviously you have to rinse it really well afterwards, but it's a hell of a lot easier than trying to physically remove the rust.
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My biggest gripe with Teflon, after the whole PFAS problem, is that you have to baby it. I never was able to find a plastic spatula that worked well for any application. At worst, some are so darn floppy it's like trying to flip an fried egg with another fried egg. Not to mention, the leading edge would eventually melt and deform sending plastic shreds everywhere over time.
The things you can do cooking-wise with metal tooling just get you more control and better results. Any pan/pot that lets you do that is going to help your overall cooking experience. Plus, even if you don't go carbon steel or iron - say, stainless or even glass - de-glazing the pan with some water and heat from the range can make short work of cleaning.
One last point to this rant: your favorite cooking shows are lying to you softly. Your cookware are tools - they're gonna get fucked up. Used things eventually get scratched, stained, singed, dented, and that's okay; I promise you they're not unsanitary because they're in this state. Those stainless pans with mirror-perfect surfaces, or carbon steel skillets with that pristine golden hue, they're new; you usually see new product on camera thanks to sponsors and the general optics of the thing. Teflon pans hold out this false promise of pristine cook surfaces that just aren't realistic. And in practice, even those awful things do not go the distance. So yeah, reject modernity and all that. You'll be okay.
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Why would you use a plastic spatula? I use wood with teflon - doesn't scratch and isn't floppy!
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Right! I use silicone spatulas because I like the slight bit of flop it has, but there are options besides pan scratching metal and really crappy, pan saving plastic spatulas.
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lol look there's one main benefit of cast iron: it holds heat really well. it is not easier to use or maintain than steel, but if you want something that holds a lot of heat, look no further
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No, the main benefit is that it is made out of something edible that won't give you cancer
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The one reason professional chefs don't use it is because it doesn't disperse the heat evenly tho
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If you need even heat distribution, copper pans are the way to go
And they definitely need more babying than cast iron IMO, cast iron pans will take any and all abuse, then you can just clean & season them again and your pan is good as new
If you get cooper too hot, use the wrong utensils or are generally not treating it with kid gloves, it's gonna end up ruined after a few years, especially if it's a tin lined one
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you heat it way up then use a low heat after it gets to temp. that's a commercial issue
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In all seriousness my cast iron never looses its seasoning and is the best non stick I have in my house. I refuse to go back to PFSA
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People have weird ideas about seasoning. It is literally oil polymerized and bonded to the metal with high heat; but people act like it just rubs off. You can scrape seasoning off, but it's hard. I need steel wool to do it.
I think these people complaining aren't really seasoning their pans - just using dirty pans (i.e. the oil hasn't fully polymerized).
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Different types of oils form different polymerized surfaces, too. Related to the greentext, some people came up with the idea of flaxseed as the best oil for seasoning cast iron based on some theorycrafting about chemistry at a high school level, and it turned out that flaxseed oil seasoning chips and flakes really, really easily.
So there are a bunch of people out there doing it wrong and complaining that it's too fussy.
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That and they’re very heavy. I think I’ll go with carbon steel instead. Yeah you still have to season it, but at least its easier to handle.
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To me that's a benefit. Stays steady on the hob.
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This has been my experience with cast iron. There's so, so, so much conflicting information on them. Even in this thread.
I wish the Mythbusters would come back just to test via experimentation all these conflicting claims.
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Cast iron is great if you want to throw the pan in the oven or if you have a grill big enough to fit it. For regular use who gives a shit.
Been using cast iron my whole life
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The water one is definitely false. You just have to dry it and add cooking oil right away.
Steel wool or a Brillo pad, on the other hand ...
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America's test kitchen has done that, although I can't find one that addresses all the bits of misinformation.
This one is pretty ok, but doesn't address all things, and doesn't specifically call out the myths: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUComSZbZ7o
Notably missing is tomatoes/highly acidic foods. IIRC, it's fine if the duration is short (about 15 minutes). Shakshuka and quick tomato sauces should be fine, but don't make Grandma's all-day tomato sauce. Regardless, for these contexts I'd still grab stainless if that's an option, but mostly for ease of use/cleaning
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Cast iron is cheap, indestructible, gets better with time, does want some care but nothing outrageous. I do have a good stainless skillet as well, call it the "stick pan", if you want something to stick and then deglaze, it's good.
But the cast iron is my joy, my kids joke that I love it more than I love them (it is older than they are) and already argue about who will get it when I die. Have never bought a nonstick pan, they seem unhealthy, and old cast iron is satiny and nonstick. It suits the way I cook, or perhaps the way I cook has been shaped by the pans. I don't worry about tomatoes or wine sauce but wouldn't slow cook spaghetti sauce in one, would use stainless or the Le Cruset one for that.
Mostly I think it's like flannel, not great at the start but improves with use, ends up better than everything else and then stays better for a long time. In the case of cast iron that could be several generations.
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Then my fictional grand kids can have my pan that has 5 different layers of seasoning on it with half of them peeling off.
It will last even longer because it's in my cupboard for 5 years at a time.
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I like to avoid the hassle of taking special care of a cast iron and just use a stainless steel pan from IKEA. Spray on cooking oil works really well to keep food from sticking if your don't crank up the heat and anything that does get stuck can be easily scrubbed off with a copper scouring pad. Best part is that there's no need to worry about rust. Ultimately just use what you like most.
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Especially for steak, pork, and fish, the cast iron heats up better and sticks far less than steel. Also much easier to clean.
But for anything that's saucy (pasta) or could benefit from a good deglazing (scallops particularly but also for veggie dishes), stainless steel works best.
I just have to commit myself to cleaning up immediately after the meal or consign myself to a lot of scrubbing.
I like to have both on hand. Really depends on the dish.
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Cast irons are best cleaned while they’re still hot. I hit mine with hot water, give it a gentle scrub/rinse, then bake it in the oven to evaporate any left over moisture.
I’ve had it for ten years and if I stuck it on a shelf and said it was new nobody would know the difference
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Hey, if your meat is sticking it might just need to sit longer at a slightly lower temp if you are worried about burning. Letting pork sit for longer has done a lot for me for it sticking.
And then also for cleaning heating up the pan dry on the burner than throwing in some warm water to boil while scraping the bottom has been way faster than scrubbing it all.
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I have a cast iron pan. Pros - it'll last forever if you look after it, it doesn't contain PFAS and generally it is non-stick enough to not be a nuisance. Cons - heavy AF, needs to be cleaned and dried after use & not in a dishwasher. I haven't tried to cook anything acidic in it yet but it does okay for steaks, eggs, mushrooms, sauces that I have used it for.
I still use soap and a plastic scrubber on mine and just dry it on the hob for a bit. I haven't had to reseason it yet but I imagine it will be a pain in the ass when I do. I have seen part of the seasoning flake off but it normally self heals with more cooking.
So it's okay overall but I think lack of PFAS and the fact that this thing will last a lifetime are the clinchers. Even if you have non-stick buy one of these and use it by default. I expect a stainless steel pan would be good too for same reasons.
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I've heard from several sources that the iron is supposed to be good for the diet. I love my carbon steel and cast iron kitchenware. All of the studies I've seen show it as a superior option to PFAS cookware and will still outlast the latest ceramic options. I have a very non-stick carbon steel pan and griddle from avocado oil seasoning.
You didn't mention that you're oiling it after drying it. It's recommended that you lightly oil the surface upon storage.
One Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Px6jqcYFdFs
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I’ve heard from several sources that the iron is supposed to be good for the diet. I love my carbon steel and cast iron kitchenware. All of the studies I’ve seen show it as a superior option to PFAS cookware and will still outlast the latest ceramic options. I have a very non-stick carbon steel pan and griddle from avocado oil seasoning.
You didn’t mention that you’re oiling it after drying it. It’s recommended that you lightly oil the surface upon storage.
I think cast iron will definitely outlast ANY non-stick, no question. For non-stickiness though it's basically on the tolerable end - put oil in it and most stuff will slide around but sometimes you don't want too much oil so its a trade off. I think stainless steel is a great option in its own right - it's not really non stick but it can be made tolerable with oil and can be scrubbed back to condition and thrown in the dishwasher.
I sometimes coat my cast iron pan in oil, but more often than not I don't.
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Stainless steel pans are amazing when used for the right purpose. They weigh much less than cast iron, don't require any maintenance beside cleaning them, and they are pretty much indestructible. If you burn something badly you can use metal scowering pads or any chemical you damn well like (including sodium hydroxide that will melt flesh) to get the thing clean again. They are tolerant to any cooking temperature you would ever use, ever. You can't overheat one with any appliance a normal kitchen would have. This means you can easily pop one in the oven provided it has a metal handle.
The only issue being they have no non-stick properties to speak of and relatively little thermal mass. This is good in that they don't need long to heat up, but bad in that it's not a consistent temperature and you have to know what you are doing with the power control to get the results you want. This means it's essentially useless for cooking things like steak, and difficult even to cook an omelet without using a lot of butter, ghee, or oil. Things like tomato sauces though? Perfect. The stainless steel could care less about the acidity.
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Look for antique CI and you'll get less weight. I love CHF (Chicago Hardware Foundry) and BSR (Birmingham something something...) pans because they're thinner casting and smooth finish. I also have some Antiques from the 19th C that get regular use. I can't stand modern pans. They are all way too heavy, and that pebbled surface is a pain in the ass to cook on and clean. It's no wonder people hate cast iron
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Love my cast iron pan and my stainless and mostly agree. Just want to point out that stainless steel isn't really comparable to cast iron. Cast iron is cheap while good stainless pans are quite expensive, and you can't really season stainless to be nonstick. Sticking is actually a feature of stainless, because then you can use a technique called "deglazing" to make a flavorful sauce out of the stuck bits.
I have one of each and I like them both for different things.
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Mostly agree. I want to add, there are ways to make your stainless steel produce a non-stick effect.
Very similar to the method used to produce a non-stick surface on carbon steel, cast iron, and other heated cooking surfaces. Essentially you apply a light coat of oil and created a polymerized surface on the pan.
One source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXEt-fhyCis
Edit: Another Source (Leidenfrost effect): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUwaOnCd1h0
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Yeah, but one hit with this baby and you'll send any ghost straight into the afterlife.
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In the late 90’s I saw someone catch a cast iron pan to the head. I don’t recommend it.
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I use a wok and I wish I could use it for everything. I love that little damn thing to bits. I have only seasoned it twice (removed the previous one due to rust) and it can fry an egg fine.
It handles soap, tomatoes and other acidic foods fine as well. Didn't use any fancy oil, just avocado oil.
My mom's 300$ tephlon pans don't even last more than 8 months without getting nicks. My Lil fella is 15 years old.
They want to brainwash into using expensive, disposable, products.
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FYI it's Teflon.
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I'm gobsmacked at the idea of playing this much for anything Teflon
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I deep fry in my wok. A fantastic invention and purchase they are.
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why use a forever pan when you can have forever chemicals?
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Nah my cast only washes with hot water and small Scraper. If you need soap. We'll you don't like actualy don't. Seasoning? Just cook bacon, dump the grease leave a bit in put it back on the stove for a hot minute or while you put your blt together. Done it's hunk of metal not much you can do to fuck it up. And if food is sticking to it probably cause you didn't get the pan hot enough before you put the food in.
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I bought like a $30 one at the grocery store a few years ago and it's still going strong. If I forget to use it for a long time it'll get a patina of rust, but it scrapes right off. I only seasoned it once when I got it with beef tallow.
Honestly if I threw it away today and bought a new one it still would have been cheaper than buying a Teflon pan for like triple the price and having it only last maybe a year before it gets completely ruined, and you get those forever chemicals in your body as an added bonus.
It's not like it's some huge investment, just give it a try and see if it works for you. Buy a cheap one at a big box store, season it with oil or fat, and don't put it in the dishwasher just hand rinse it with lye-free dish soap and a soft sponge. Maybe that's too much work for you and you prefer your nonstick or stainless, that's fine too, good quality stainless can last a lifetime if treated properly and ceramic nonstick pans are getting better and cheaper all the time and pretty much outcompeting PFA-based products because people are becoming more aware of how shitty they actually are.
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I'm honestly surprised it took this long before Teflon and PFAS in general became a more public issue.
Especially after project farm showed how easy it is to scratch the coating material. I think only like 2 pans actually held up somewhat in hardness.
Not objective by any measure, but I don't think ingesting dissolved iron is as bad as dissolved Teflon.
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Some would even say that ingesting dissolved iron is required for your health.
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Counterpoint:
It doubles as a weapon that can induce blunt-force trauma.
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Mine is so heavy it hurts my wrist to pick it up. I'd never hit someone with it. They would definitely die or become paralized or something. And also I would injure my wrist, which would be equally bad.
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Oy yah i Rember the Repunzle tutorial.
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My cast iron cookware exists out of survivors bias. Everything else has fallen apart in one capacity or another.
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Sure, but everything else has fallen apart because I use them frequently. My cast iron pans sit in the back of the cupboard because it's heavy and things stick, so I might as well use something lighter.
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Don’t care, use carbon steel
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I had a housemate who fried sausage patties and eggs in my cast iron skillet every morning for a couple of years. Gave it a good wipe and that's it. I'd cook other things in it sometimes and wash it up if needed. The seasoning on that thing developed into a deep black that was so smooth you see your reflection in it and you could fry an egg without oil and it came off clean with just a nudge from the spatula. It was beautiful.
We went our separate ways and it quickly degraded back to a more normal "good enough" level of seasoning. It was great, but I'm not frying up a fancy breakfast every morning for it.
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I’ve had one for roughly 15 years and use it almost every day. I most often use it as a baking pan or for grilling things. Not much sticks to it and what does is easily scrubbed off. I don’t season it in any meticulous way, just put a coat of cooking oil on and toss it in the oven every few months. I don’t cook acidic things in it - that is the rare time I use the stainless. I definitely understand why some don’t like the weight but I’m used to it.
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Yes, I can't say I've been terrible impressed by cast iron pans. The people gushing about them are pretty funny though.
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I'm a stainless steel enjoyer. Get that cast iron and teflon shit out of here.
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Let me add to your comment...
"PFAS filled Teflon shit out of here."
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wood and stainless steel is definitely the way to go. i don’t understand how nonstick seems to be the norm. are people not aware that the “nonstick” part of their pans is basically just plastic? and that it’s generally a bad idea to cook/eat/scratch plastic things?
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I find they're the same. You just have to oil them and use them regularly.
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My gf got me a cast iron pan. I despise it. It's so much work compared to my other pans and I don't see any benefits. I only bring it out if she's watching me cook over my shoulder, so now I cook I tell her to relax on the sofa with some streaming or a book.
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So a few tips for cast iron if you want to know why people like it. It does take a bit of practice because cooking with it feels different and wrong when you're used to other pans. But once you know how to work it it legitimately does cook better and clean easier while being practically indestructable. I used to think the same as you until I made myself learn how to use it and now I will never go back.
- Let it properly heat up before you put anything in it or it will stick. Flick a drop of water at it before cooking and if the water beads up then it is ready. Unlike other pans, cast iron has a lot of mass and takes a bit to warm up. But that also comes with the advantage of being able to maintain an even and stable temp across the pan. Cast iron feels like cooking on induction no mater what type of range you have.
- When in doubt use more oil, butter, or grease.
- Use metal tools. This alone is one of the big advantages of cast iron. Unlike other pans you don't need to baby cast iron. I use a steel grill spatula on mine.
- When you're done cooking just wipe it out with a paper towel while it is still hot. Unlike other pans you actually want to leave a thin layer of oil or grease on cast iron. You only need to get the food out of it which usually only requires a quick wipe. If you cooked something saucy then just wash it like you would any other pan (except don't leave it to soak), just be sure to completely dry it on the stove afterwords and apply a thin layer of oil to it.
- Use it at least every other week. The more you use it just for frying thing the more nonstick it gets as the layer of seasoning builds up. Letting cast iron sit is how it gets sticky and nasty. If you are going to store it long term then wash it with soap, dry it on the stove, and coat it in a thin layer of flaxseed oil because that stuff stays good practically forever.
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I use my 3 cast-iron on a rotation near daily, use soap and water to wash them, and season maybe once every 6 months to re-up it?
I'll cook tomato shit in there no problem, just don't fucking let it sit on there and get stuck or you'll have issues. Never worry about food sticking
Chainmail + warm water + dot of soap and 15s of rubbing and I'll have a perfectly clean pan ready to go for another use immediately if I really wanted. Hand dry, warm over stovetop to evaporate any remaining liquid to avoid rust
Tbh it's less work than my stainless steel was because things get stuck WAY less often, and I'm an ADHD mess who never does dishes
You have to be amazingly shit with kitchenware to fuck them up
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I fucking hate cast iron pans. It's way too easy to absolutely ruin one. But more importantly, it's absolutely impossible to cool one down. If you determine that the pan is too hot and your shit is burning, sing your prayers, cus that shit is burning! What's that? You can put it in the oven straight from the stove? So neat, but like, I have a pot for that. Also never ever made a dish that asked for such a maneuver.
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The only thing I would use cast iron for is to fight the ninjas hiding behind my fridge
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Unless you have arms like tree trunks then this is a bad weapon choice. Ninjas are notoriously fast and cast iron is notoriously heavy.
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I assume they would be slowed down by having to clamber out from behind the fridge, I can get them while they're off balance
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Also work very well for oven pizza 👍👍
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I never understood fans of cast iron. Its like still using candles for light, sure it gives a warming light, but electricity is cheaper, safer, and quicker to use for light. Same for pans, stainless steel have exactly the same use as cast iron without any of the inconvenience. Sure heating behavior is different, but who cares, you can get to the same results with stainless steel with a bit of experience... If you really want that "hipster cooking" feeling, just use copper, sure its way more expensive and you need to be extra careful, but its still better than to try using cast iron which is a real pain in the ass to use, making cooking twice as long as it should be... And for Teflon... it's shit, weak as hell and will give you cancer. Aluminum is shit too, still better than teflon and at least its the cheapest.
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If you're buying modern garbage $10 pans from Dollar General don't be surprised when they're not performing as well as your Cuisinart SS. I have all SS and cast iron, and they both get about equal usage. CI is just better for meats. The higher heat conductivity and even temperature across the surface (with proper time to warm up) is incredibly useful. Searing is unsurpassable with CI. You can be rough with CI and it takes the beating in stride.
SS is better for quick heat and rapid changes in temperature. Boiling water, sauces, roux, etc.
I've had cast iron pans with old dinner remains sat in the bottom for 3 days, it comes off with hot water. And yes I use soap and water. If you use a good oil for seasoning and you set your pan up nicely you don't have to worry about babying the seasoning.
twice as long
If you're using CI for the right use cases it is WAY faster than aluminum. As I said, the heat transfer of iron is extremely good compared to thin walled aluminum or stainless. CI will cook chicken very fast. It's all down to knowing your tools and using them correctly.
I can tap a nail into a wall with pliers, doesn't mean they won't do the job as well as a hammer.
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Nothing cooks fried eggs as well as my cast iron pan. Fried eggs, scrambled eggs, french scramble, omelettes, any kind of eggs. Sometimes I use it for sausage too.
I use stainless for everything else.
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I cook with cast iron almost daily, all I do is scrub it with hot water and let it dry, and it's ready for the next day.
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It seems obvious you purchase equipment for restaurants. /s
Quite a hot take there. You ignored carbon steel in the conversation.
A large number of restaurants use rolled carbon steel or cast iron for searing and shallow frying.
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Well, I found it to be easier than stainless. I know how to use stainless in theory, but I never managed to use it properly. lol
I realized there's a hipster factor around it but I really find it easy to cook a lot of things without thinking twice. I'm only careful when I clean it.
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Yeah, cast iron is a giant pain. I have a relatively heavy steel pan, which is fantastic for cooking anything I would cook on a cast-iron pan because it retains heat well, and it's easier to clean.
Screw cast iron, the only cast iron thing I like is my enamel-coated pot for soups, and that's because it avoids pretty much everything about cast iron except heat retention.
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The best pan is the $20 no name stainless steel pan from a restaurant supply store. Cast iron is for Dutch ovens that need to retain heat for stews and curries and shit. Anyone that genuinely prefers cast iron over stainless just doesn’t know how to preheat a pan and use cold oil. “Oh I want a pan that requires ongoing maintenance, can never be properly cleaned, isn’t actually non stick at all, and weighs 900 pounds so doing any kind of toss is a total pain in the ass”
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My biggest complaint is the smoking oil really upsets my air purifier, that stuff can’t be good to breathe in. I only season my pans outside and that is not even annually, only as needed and it is basically never needed.
After cooking I wipe the pan out with a dry rag and if it is just oily I let it ride. If there’s any crust stuck to the pan I’ll scrape it and wash with hot water in the sink. Dry it with a towel, light spray of avocado oil, wipe it off, put it away.
I’d like to upgrade my hood over the externally exhausted microwave vent I have, but until then I don’t use them inside in anything hot enough to smoke so we’re not breathing that crap in. Good enough for eggs or browning a sautee but I’m not going to sear meat indoors.
Edit: bacon! I love cooking bacon on cast iron but just can’t do it anymore. The smoke is too much, it coats the entire house in a sheen of oil vapor, and splatters all over the stove. I recently got a blackstone and exclusively cook bacon outside.
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Yeah the grease smoke is a lot.
But also you shouldn't cook bacon hot actually. You want it to slowly render out the fat at a medium heat. Honestly will still make it greasy around the pan but shouldn't be smoking that much.
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That is how I do it, low and slow with a bacon press, it is still a little splattery but not bad at all.
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i tried cast iron pans many summers ago. but i found myself never using it because cooking is already inconvenient enough and cast iron pans just add a whole other dimension of inconvenience. it also makes me nervous that they’re never/rarely ever cleaned with soap and water. it was also very difficult to find consistent instructions on how to care for them and use them safely. so now i just use stainless steel instead.
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I love when people that can't be asked to learn something new complain about the people that have.
The pan isn't the problem 🤷
Edit: I see this comment has reached it's intended audience. PS: your struggles to season a pan are pitiful.
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I have no idea what kind of pots and pans I have. I know they're not cast iron though lol. I just use them and they work.
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Then most likely teflon.
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Just a heads up, despite the popular myth, it's totally fine to clean cast iron with soap. The seasoning is a polymer (plastic) that is bound to the pan. The soap destroys grease, but the polymerized stuff isn't effected. You don't need to every time if you don't feel like it, because heat should clean things fairly well, but don't be scared to do it if it's dirty.
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Useless context: the soap thing used to be true when soap had lye. But now, like overcooking pork chops and washing chicken, it’s outdated advice from our grandparents.
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My cast iron griddle is the most used thing in my kitchen, after grilling something on it I get it ripping hot, pour water on it, scrub it with a rag until its clean, then coat it in cooking oil and wait for it to smoke. Takes like 2 minutes and it never leaves my stove.
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I have one that's got some titanium coating so I dont have to deal with the seasoning shit.
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I've stopped using cast iron after some experimentation. It has some uses, but none of which can't be done equally well in a stainless steel or carbon steel pan.
I find these respond to temperature changes better and so are easier to control. My big iron pan also doesn't heat evenly enough, so extra care is needed to cook things consistently if it spans a wide area of the pan.
I think the best place for iron cookware is for oven pots, not for hobs and frying.
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I've only found 1 carbon steel pan i actually like (and I love it) due to the crappy thin flat handles most of them have that hurt to hold. Bit pricy tho:
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... Just get a fucking non stick pan and don't use wooden or iron utensils on it. Done, problem solved.
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Lasts 3-5 years tops
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May or may not slowly poison you as well as entire ecosystems as part of its creation.
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Barely
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yum yum PFAS residues and melted spatula plastic
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Using plastic spatula on a non-stick
You're beyond hope.
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Once again we are reminded of the fact that 4chan is full of bullshit.
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Heat cooking oil in the pan until it starts smoking. Hey presto it's seasoned. Tomato will not strip it, nor will soap. Intense scrubbing will.
Cast iron is so easy to care for. Just don't stick it in the dishwasher or let it stay wet after washing.
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Let anon go camp in the woods for a week and report back.
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