Large Majority of Americans Want to End Electoral College

Cool. Can we also get moving on Ranked Choice Voting?

I remember being in 3rd grade and learning about the electoral college and thinking, "that's the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard of". Still true to this day.

That’s great but do an electoral college majority want to end the electoral college?

Add Ranked choice voting along with getting rid of this.

Cool. Too bad it's never going to happen. The entire US political system is designed to prevent the will of the people from being enacted.

sorry, I asked the parliamentarian if we could do democracy today and he told me to go fuck myself :/

Everyone saying this can't happen and stuff but we already have started the process. There is a set of several states that signed a pact that make it vote for the majority. Can't think of the name of it but we only need several more states (not all of them) to meet needed electoral votes to basically bypass the electrical college.

Large majority of voters want to change a system where the large majority of voters don't have as much say as a a minority of voters.

If the Democrats actually get the house and the senate this election, they should definitely looking into changing the voting system. It would be in their best interest.

Well yeah... The electoral college consistently lets a minority opinion override the majority, so of course a majority want it done.

Problem is that minority that gets their way today aren't going to yield if they can help it.

Thing about the electoral collage is that it doesn't matter what the large majority wants.

I think a bigger component in making this happen is instituting ranked choice voting. Political parties are private institutions that have amassed entirely too much power over our country. Sure, we can vote but electoral college or popular voting and we still are stuck with a candidate selected by one of two private institutions. These private entities are able to control elected officials who stray too far from the party line. As long as large political parties control the candidates our vote holds less power.

Ending the electoral college and changing to popular vote for the presidency is a very important goal and young people should commit to make it your life's work, because that's how long it will take to get a constitutional amendment done, and only if a sustained effort is made.

In the meantime we can also work toward other goals than can help:

1. Expand the size of the House of Representatives. The population is now way too big for the number of representatives we have, each representing 1/2 to 3/4 of a million people or more, when the founders envisioned a ratio of 1 per 30,000. Obviously we can't achieve that ratio, but there are several good proposals out there to make it more fair.

2. Statehood for Washington, DC and Puerto Rico (they deserve representation! and it would add 4 more senate seats).

Then there's our representation in the Senate. Our population is distributed very unevenly among the states which get two senators each. Each Wyoming senator represents less than 300 thousand people; Each California senator represents about 20 Million people (2017 figures). By 2040, 2/3 of Americans will be represented by 30 percent of the Senate, and only 9 states will be home to half the country's population [1]

What can be done about this? What about splitting the most densely populated states into 2 or 3 states? Highly unlikely to ever happen, but it's an idea. Then there's the idea of population redistribution. This is happening all the time anyway, but people could consciously choose to move into lower population states where their vote would count more (and cost of living is lower). With remote work much more acceptable these days, it should be easier for people with certain kinds of jobs to do, but it would also need investors choosing to start businesses in those states instead of always flocking to the high density states. There is a little bit of that happening but not much. Otherwise I don't know how this problem can be solved.

[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/11/28/by-2040-two-thirds-of-americans-will-be-represented-by-30-percent-of-the-senate/

I dunno. I kinda think it’s cool that a state twenty times smaller than my own (Alaska, California) gets an equal share of say to my own. /s

We could also just make it irrelevant by expanding Congress radically. Adding back all the seats we missed when we froze the numbers in the 1940s. Even better, we were slipping on the ratio of representatives to people even back then so we could go back to the original ratio or something in between. That would be a max of around 10,000 representatives, but you would be far more familiar with your representative and they could do elections without the support of the economic elite or being rich.

That doesn't require an amendment and it functionally obliterates this tyranny of the minority.

Yes, please. This shit is so 1787.

Lol .... when has the will of the common people ever mattered to politicians who are beholden to the ultra wealthy.

I'm in Canada and we suffer from the same problem.

Yeah, but only (rural) land here has any say, so whether most Americans want to do away with the EC is irrelevant. Only Republicans in rural areas should get to dictate the future of this country.

Turns out even that level of rigging is not enough for the traitorous Republican scum; they might be planning on having just enough states refuse to call the election and throw it to the House so their scum there can install the insane and incompetent donnie in the White House.

cool but this aint happening cause the us aint a democracy

What, and end the control and power the establishment has over you? Good luck

63% != Large Majority. If it did what would more be 70 = Really large majority 75 = Really really large majority 80 = Fricking huge majority 85 = Ludicrous majority 90 = BFM 9000 95 = Who said no 100 = Rigged

Can’t beat it with people majority, need to have the land majority.

Can't believe Americans have become so anti-education.

I don't know much about the ins and outs of politics, but wouldn't modifying the electoral college to be bound by popular vote help?

Or if it were abolished, couldn't the popular vote be set to act as one vote per section, with separation in a way that is fair.

Just spit balling here, but it doesn't seem like going pop vote means we would have to drown out less populated areas with densely populated areas.

Am I wrong? Am I on the right track?

Yeah no shit, it's doing the job it was intended to do.

They get all the votes. We get all the fucking ads! WTF!

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It will be a cold, dark day, over my dead body, when New York City has more voting power than all of Washington state. I will fight people to the death to keep the electoral college. Get you're moronic facts straight, the Electoral keeps high population areas from forcing their ideals on the rest of the Nation, it also makes cheating harder. FIX THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE! Fine. But remove it and you give the ruling class the ability to add a billion votes nation wide and winning an election, instead of now where they cheat district to district. Just because it's becoming obvious your drug war baron might not win because people hate that she had jailed people for simple drug possessions, and she's as much a traitor to the Republic as Donnie T, you don't get to change the rules. GET A BETTER CANDIDATE WORTHLESS DEMOCRATS! Weak humans blame the system for their weak candidates, when it's them and their candidate that are to blame, not the system that rejects them.

The only reason they want a popular vote system is because it would have worked in their favor in 2000 and 2016.

The minute it goes against "their" candidate they'll scream to go back to the electoral college.

See the multi-state pact here:

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/written-explanation

Currently passed in 17 states for 209 electoral college votes, it doesn't take effect until there are 270 accounted for.

But do you really think the residents of a state like Oregon, or Washington, or California will just be OK with their electoral college votes being passed to a popular vote winner who is a Republican?

Especially if that person failed to win their state?