Marjorie Taylor Greene Says States Should 'Consider Seceding From the Union'
Marjorie Taylor Greene Says States Should 'Consider Seceding From the Union'
Wouldn't encouraging cession mean MTG is now encouraging active rebellion against the United States? And wouldn't that make her ineligible to hold office under the 14th amendment?
Let's get that lawsuit roll'in.
You would think, but this is the second time she's suggested secession (admittedly she wasn't as blatant the first time) and nothing was done. I doubt anything will be done this time either. It wasn't even a major headline.
People are talking more and more about whether the 14th amendment bars Trump from running for president. If that ends up happening I think it'll end up being applied to other insurrectionist politicians.
Voicing an opinion, especially a political one, is pretty heavily protected. I think there would need to be some other crime being committed (e.g. actually taking up arms).
Good question No, if she only advocates for amending the constitution. Yes, if she tells people to take up arns
Agreed, and for the rest of these dumb asses:
Secession isn't always rebellious. See Czechoslovakia's peaceful split as an example.
And now we have Chechnya Czechia ;) and Slovakia
And how do you think the Supreme Court would rule on that case?
Depends on where you send Clarence Thomas on vacation first.
The Union should have scorched earth the South when it had the chance. Tear up their train tracks, block the harbors, nationalize all the farm lands, dissolve the rebel states borders into Federal Territories, hang all rebel political leaders and put all military officers above Lt. in front of the firing squad. Instead, you let them live and fester, even naming military bases, ships and tanks after them.
If we had done to the south after the civil war what the world did to Germany after world war 2, I firmly believe we would be in a much better place.
Fucking Andrew Johnson.
Fucking Andrew Johnson.
This needs to be said every time it comes up.
I consider him to be the second worst US president
Let's do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I'm sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It's not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
I feel like logistically it would make Brexit look like the Velvet Revolution breakup of Czechoslovakia. Clusterfuck doesn't even begin to describe it. We are sort of stuck with each other like a crabby old married couple that hates each other but they just don't really have any options so they stick together barely speaking except saying fuck you to each other when they pass in the hallway.
Would love to see the Ultimate Epic Battle Simulator between a couple million good old boys in trucks vs like 50 jets and 50 tanks.
All them good ol boys riding Walmart mobility scooters due to spending all their points into Diabeetus.
I just wanna see them fly when the Trebuchet rock hits em.
You wouldn't even need the tanks. The power of long range jets is unimaginable.
Would love to see your face when you consider the US military, which hasn't won a real war in nearly 80 years, trying to occupy an area 10 times the size of Afghanistan. Please just ignore the 100 million gun-toting good old boys in trucks. I am sure they have no idea what guerilla warfare is and won't protect their homes at all. Also, I'm sure none of that military will defect to protect their families.
Those 50 jets and 50 tanks will definitely end the conflict in the first hour.
Also remember that most red states are welfare states that need federal funding to just exist and on their own they would be broke and unable to provide basic needs like water and electricity .
Most of those states would collapse at the next hurricane that hits them. Florida had to declare a natural disaster just from 1 hurricane. Hurricane Katrina would leave Louisiana a third world country if not for federal government funds.
It's also like they can't even conceive the notion that most of the left and even a good few liberals are armed and train regularly and also live out in podunk.
Based on international law the states would maintain their current borders, that means the urban areas would come along for the ride (IF under an actual referendum the majority was to vote in favor of separation vs the non democratic exercise that is US elections)
The movement would probably see the creation of a new Union instead of just having a bunch of small new countries, so it would be rich enough to equip itself and create an army (and those voting in favor would probably jump on the occasion to defend their new country).
Separation doesn't happen overnight, you go and fetch support from other countries so you're not left without any allies or international recognition if the vote is in favor (France was ready to recognize Quebec if any of the two referendums had been in favor of independence).
You didn't create a "best case scenario", you just created a scenario that fits your opinion on the subject.
Disclaimer: Am not from the USA, would gladly see it getting split in multiple countries just like I would gladly see Canada split in multiple countries as I think in both cases it would stop some parts of the country from slowing down progress in other parts. Ex.: If Mississippi and its citizens want to live in a third world country so much then so be it, let the rest of the US move forward.
Sorry, but wrong on many points. If the conservative states were ever going to leave the Union it would have to be a quick transition as a longer process ensures that it won't happen.
One: The US as a whole is far more homogeneous than European democracies. It's not like in Europe where you can drive a few hours and find a whole different language and culture. Those asking for a separation are a extreme minority even within their states. Even with them being in power, the moment they actually move towards separation they literally will be murdered in a few days.
Two: during the slow negotiation for separation, red states would be responsible for their debts. States like Mississippi and Kentucky would have to back out of the separation because they'd become Haiti (economically) once the separation was complete.
Three: even if they peacefully negotiated with blue states, violence would break out in urban areas because red states wouldn't be leaving to create their own American style for of democracy. It would be a Christan Nationalist oligarchy. They want this separation to reinstate slavery, women's suffrage, and genicide of all LGBTQ+ individuals. This one is inevitable regardless how the separation goes. But a slow separation just gives those urban areas time to prepare for war.
And then blue states can stop funding red states and the red states will crumble even further.
Nine of the ten states that get the most federal fucking dollars and pay the least... can you guess? Go on, guess. That’s right, motherfucker, they're red states. And eight of the ten states that receive the least and pay the most? It’s too easy, asshole, they’re blue states. It’s not your money, assholes, it’s fucking our money.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140304131138/http://fuckthesouth.com/
We really need to do this. Leave them to their own devices and let them reap the results of their politics instead of shielding them.
Oh, wow. Texas, Missouri, Alabama, etc. become not our problem anymore? Gimme a petition to sign!
I might be in the minority, but I say let 'em go: provided they take a proportional amount of the US debt with them, and give back all the military assets that the rest of the country bought. They can re-staff all those military bases they named after Confederates on their own dime, while paying back debt and funding their own Social Security.
I bet once they actually get presented the budget for their ideas, all of a sudden they decide they like the Blue states (and their tax base) a lot more than they used to.
I don't know about the debt thing, but I've had a fantasy for a while that some place like Florida decides to secede, and that attracts all the conservative chuds, white supremacists, and christo-fascists, who all rush to move down there to have their "revolution." Then we just wall Florida off the way they wanted to do with Mexico. The conservatives can have the ultra-capitalist nightmare they've always wanted to build, and the rest of us can get on with life and finally have socialized healthcare and properly funded schools.
Maybe we keep the coasts for launching things like boats and so on. Let them have the very worst parts of the state that are already full "Florida man" anyway and a small sliver of the coast and tell all the cons to move on down to their conservative paradise. We normal Americans will keep everything of value and of military strategic importance and they can have their Jesusland.
Bullshit. Those bases belong to us. They can build their own.
Tough shit if they don't like a Yankee military base in their state.
I’m surprised I had to scroll this far to find this top level comment I thought I was going to have to make myself. Fuck them. Let them secede. Good luck lol they’ll need it.
This woman needs to secede from my internet.
She needs to secede from corporeal existence.
Section 3.
No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any state, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any state legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any state, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Sounds like she should be removed from Congress.
God I hate to support this ghoul, but it does say "engaged in" or "given aid to". She's given support for an insurrection, and if one happened I imagine she'd be impeachable due to both statements, but until then she'd be covered under the 1st amendment
|But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Never saw that part before. Does that mean that a person supporting insurrection causes the government to have a disability, that someone supporting insurrection is disabled and can be removed with a 2/3rds vote, or they are automatically barred execpt if 2/3rd vote to remove the restriction?
Not sure if you are being facetious, but it means that you can't be part of the government unless 2/3rds of each house of Congress votes to allow you to participate in the federal government again.
Interestingly, it doesn't say that you get your elected position back, just that you can hold office again.
So in this case, MTG would be removed, her seat would be filled by whatever process Georgia has for replacing a Congressional Rep. If (and it's a big if since a good chunk of her own party dislikes her) she gets a 2/3rds vote from the House and the Senate, then she would be able to run for office again. I think. It would probably be a constitutional crisis that would get kicked to the SC either way.
She's a traitor. Traitors get death penalty. --MGT
America’s power is that we are one nation with access to two oceans and friendly neighbors. Our greatest threat is from within.
Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant to step the ocean and crush us at a blow? Never! All the armies of Europe, Asia, and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest, with a Bonaparte for a commander, could not by force take a drink from the Ohio or make a track on the Blue Ridge in a trial of a thousand years. At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer. If it ever reach us it must spring up amongst us; it cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen we must live through all time or die by suicide.
--Abraham Lincoln
She and similar politicians spreading such messages should be stripped out of US citizenship
Let's do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I'm sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It's not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
The only reason I'm not an advocate for this is because this would mean abandoning LGBT people, minorities, and women in red states.
I live in Texas, and I'd favor this heavily only if the US allowed us non-crazies out first, gave us refugee status and then some financial support to those of us who need it to get started again in a sane state. Getting a new job + place to live is hard.
Then all the hateful assholes can go live in Bigotriopia all they want without us pesky compassionate types.
Bye Texas! Bye Florida! Bye Alabama, Louisiana and Mississippi! I'm sure y'all'll get a few years to live in your Happy Hatred before the Gulf of Mexico and Atlantic Ocean swallows y'all up!
I feel pretty certain they'd detain women, they are trying to force procreation atm.
Only problems are kids and that I fear that they'd do their best to keep some people from leaving.
There'll always be new kids, many who will be minorities (particularly, even the biggotedest biggot can have an LGBT kid). We can't do a lot to protect them if they're in different countries. Though it's admittedly questionable if we're able to protect them that much today. There certainly are a lot of blatantly fascist laws being struck down by courts, at the very least.
And where women are concerned, I worry that if enough people left, these Y'allqaeda would eventually panic and try to restrict them. I mean, controlling women is one of their favourite pastimes and they love to view women as nothing more than baby factories. I wouldn't put it past them to at least try to prevent people from leaving. There's also things like how they clearly turn their heads away from migrant workers (while at the same time being unbelievably racist towards them). They seem to recognize that their economy depends on underpaid, exploited workers and I fear what they'd do when they recognize that.
I thank you sincerely as a woman in a red state with some blue dots. I'm past raising kids and have a good job, I truly feel I am of more use here for the time being. I'm the only one makng sure several people know that there are differing view points from theirs. With all the cognative dissonance I can stand and a kind delivery, they get a chance to understand what "all these crazy libruls" are on about. I have an Aunt and cousins that live in mtg district, but they've been beyond my scope since Obama. I've decided on my qualifiers for when I'd leave but I have people here that would need me and that I want to be here for. I guess we'll all just see right? Cheers
I’ve never understood this argument. If the Republicans take the presidency in 2024 and there’s no significant response, all of those people will experience the same “abandonment”, only they’ll have nowhere to go.
Why people are favoring secession of states over literal election results? Do you think Texas and Florida or Idaho or whatever is filled with republicans? Have you ever looked up the popular vote on these states?
If we lived in a majority rule system, that would matter. Unfortunately…
I would rent a bus and start picking people up. I know it's not that simple, but I'm sure we could figure it out
I'd call up every friend there and get the minibus army out!
My solution: LGBTQIA+ and vulnerable persons Evacuation scheme. They get you on a bus the fuck out of there to somwhere like California or New York or Massachusetts.
Breaking News: MTG says controversial shit to stay in the news cycle.
Sure, but at what point do we say "this is treason" and do something about it?
We look at the definition of treason in the Constitution, conclude that unless we can prove she’s acting on behalf of a foreign power, it isn’t treason, call it sedition, which it clearly IS, and go from there.
I think that depends on how the cases against 45 go.
She's a Republican, so I'm guessing we'll normalize it forever.
Let's do a quick thought experiment and say there was an actual legal framework for states to leave the union. How do Republicans think that would go? Under no circumstances would any major city in the south go along with leaving. Republicans states are far more purple than elections would suggest due to voter suppression, election fraud, and gerrymandering. So in reality the confederate areas would just be poor rural areas. Add in the fact that the US holds the keys to all the military equipment and weapons, the confederate areas would turn into a lawless hell scape over night. And without nuclear weapons and no international agreements for defense, I'm sure Mexico and Cuba would love to reclaim some of their lost territory.
I can go on. But the main reason these idiots keep bringing this up is to suggest violence into getting their way. It's not even a viable option to even consider for them. The situation I made is a best case scenario for them to. If they tried to violently leave the union it would be couple million good old boys in trucks up against jets and tanks.
She should still be raving and slurring her words relatively harmlessly in some dive bar, but nooooooo...Georgia had to go and get her elected.
Ahh. Another Republican advocating sedition.
Lock her up!
We should be asking the DOJ that
^ THIS. She should have already been named.
Why do Republicans continue to vote for people who openly hate America? I thought they were supposed to be the party of patriots?
She does know how that ended for Georgia, specifically, last time, doesn't she?
She doesn't know much, and you can't make her.
I wanted to tell you what an incredibly apt statement that was, and to thank you for teaching me a new turn of phrase I plan on using excessively
"and you can't make her."
Fantastic. Made me actually laugh. Thank you.
I wish she would secede from the planet.
I wish she would secede from existence.
It's almost as if she has no interest in preserving the strength of our union. I wonder who that really benefits...
Cut off from the federal teat that they suck on, they wouldn't last a month.
They would pull a north Korea, threatening to attack unless the US sends them food, money, fuel, cars, doctors and Desaster relief after the seasonal climate change Desasters...
Oh please do! It’ll be an absolute joy to watch the red states bend over backwards trying to execute the mental gymnastics it will take to explain to their loyalist voter base- why they are all bankrupt now.
No, you traitorous shit hag, you can't. You already lost one war and one SCOTUS case saying so.
Russian asset doing russian asset things
A statement like this should get you instantly booted out of Congress
yessss. do it. pleeeeease peel off some republican senate seats
She will say anything to stay in the news. Her big mouth, and the media's reporting on it, is the only way she remains relevant.
Apparently she's fighting with other members of the house over whose idea it was to (and fail at) impeach Biden. She peaked in middle school.
*She peaked in kindergarten.
Is this not sedition?
Who cares what this dumbass wants? She should be getting asked why she was for the coup.
"please do anything that helps my russian bosses!! im desperate!"
Well since seceding from the union worked out so great the last time....
PLEASE DO! And say goodbye to all your federal benefits. Good riddance.
Those states that consistently take but not contribute to the union, tax wise, should secede.
Lol, I'd love to see them do that and drop to poverty levels way below that of a South America country.
That would certainly happen and eventually they'd have such squalor that the US would invade for humanitarian reasons.
You know, for claiming to be patriots they sure seem to hate the US.
She should consider fucking herself in the ass with a cactus.
She's right. Blue states should consider it. I don't think blue staters in these comments realize how close abortion is to being illegal nationwide.
"Roe v. Wade will never be overturned, that'll turn the country into a warzone!!"
"States will never actually ban abortion, that'll turn states into warzones!!"
Yet here we are.
I don't neccesarily have strong opinions one way or another on this, but "choice state vs fetus state" is starting to remind me of "free state vs. slave state."
Even the Confederate secessionists were capable of using polysyllabic words properly in their discourse.
She sounds like a second grader in the slow reading group throwing a tantrum.
Well she probably thinks polysyllabic is something you catch from a truck stop glory hole so...
I caught an incurable case of polysyllabicism in a library. Marjorie says I deserved it as libraries are evil groomer lairs.
Stupid woman says stupid stuff, news at 11
Getting really tired of hearing this woman's constant antics and theatrics.
Go for it. A pretty big portion of the red states can't manage to balance their budgets. It would be funny to see them collapse under the weight of corporate greed and political ineptitude.
Is she still talking?
I feel bad for whichever nursing home she ends up flapping her gums in.
She rich. Won't end up in a nursing home. She'll have in-home care until whatever poor caretaker can't deal with her shit anymore and let's her OD or choke on her own drool.
Here in Colorado we have some idiots in at least one county who wants to secede from the state and become part of Wyoming. Personally, I would love that because those people have no idea what they're asking for. Wyoming is one of the strictest states when it comes to cannabis, which would become illegal again. You can't have it both ways where you keep your blue state protections and have your red state affiliation.
True Patriot™️
It's funny how the people most likely to brand themselves "patriots" are the same who support actively dismantling every principle the county was founded on.
Just like the people who most crow and beat their chests about 'loving the flag' are same people who desecrate it by wearing it as apparel, put it on their cars as bumper stickers or decals, beach towels, and so much more.
I mean, there's a US law - US code 8 - which covers all the things you can't do with the US flag and they break almost all of them. They are all just cosplayers.
They think they are the “patriots” from the Revolutionary War.
I just don't want to read about this woman any more. It's obvious she's a troll who is saying ridiculous things to stir anger and get attention.
I vote to secede any dumb and ignorant things she says from Lemmy altogether.
As stupid as the things she says are, she has real, tangible power. It's not smart to ignore such people.
If she actually has real power, she wouldn't be running her mouth and saying these ridiculous things that she wants to do, she would just be doing them.
What she's doing is something very Trumpian to get supporters(you can see that with DeSantis), the more you talk about how mad she makes you, the more reach she gets.
You don't have to actively ignore about her or get outraged, just be calm and treat her as the joke she is. In other words, don't take anything she SAYS seriously, take what she DOES seriously.
Logic and rational thought seceded from her brain long ago
She is such a fuckwit.
Maybe a little time apart wouldn't be such a bad thing? Like a trial separation.
Oh please get what you want. Let's have another civil war and you hateful bigots will be killed to near extinction again.
Then we'll give them political power again because they definitely learned their lesson this time
Unfortunately there are too many Americans that do take her seriously.
I remember when the rhetoric was to get along with others, including people with different views.
Paradox of tolerance - tolerance only works with the intolerance of intolerance.
Instead, this country is actively making intolerant behavior and views into law.
Lol go ahead, the blue states are the ones keeping the red states afloat.
Good. We'll finish Sherman's work
Don't count her statement out. Yes, letting the REP states go would weaken the union, but think of the popcorn you'd consume while you see them sink without pork barrels and subsidies.
Think of the endless wars we'll have to fight to replace tinpot dictators and to defend established borders that "god" told them were wrong.
Because that went so well for those states the first time, right?
Yeah, and this time they should take their share of the national debt.
Shouldn't US politics secede from MTG instead?
This has to be illegal? Like, a congress woman can say that without repercussion right?