Fudging Dice is DMing for Satan

This is revisionist heresy. Gary Gygax, who is expected to be cannonized via a trebuchet in the next couple of years, explicitly said that the official books are more like guidelines than actual rules.

And I mean that I actually had beverages with Gary at a science fiction convention back in the early 90s, and he said stuff like “If you want to pack a healing kit that heals +5 damage, do it.” Being serious now, it’s about the story, not the rules. I know that’s the point of the joke, but it’s been almost 50 years now and people we are still arguing about rules lawyers.

I always thought the White Wolf games that called the DM the Storyteller and explicitly made dice rolls optional were the apex of the interactive story idea.

On the one hand, games should enable you to tell the story you want to tell. If you're fighting against the games rules and contents to make your story work, changing a rule, or even the system you're using, is the right call.

On the other hand, we've all seen stories where the established rules of the world break for a moment to let the protagonist win a fight they'd obviously lose. It's always a low point in the story, unless the story is just bad. The audience starts to feel like there are no stakes because physics will just bend to help the hero win.

If the rules of the system already in use would kill a character, then maybe the story is one where that character dies. It's not the one you planned, but it's the one that's happening.
- One way to think of this is that the players and the GM are all trying to tell a story together, and dice rolls exist to resolve conflicts between the stories they're trying to tell. Or if you prefer, conflicts between their stories and a world that has other ideas.
  
  Normally the player wants something to happen, and the GM calls for a a die roll, the GM is represents the world opposing that event... and that's one of the many roles they fulfill at the table. However if the GM and the players all agree that the story should go the same way, you don't need to roll a die at all. That means if the player thinks they made a persuasive argument, and the GM believes the NPC should be convinced by it, then the GM doesn't have to say "roll persuasion" they can just say "yes that works"
  
  Perhaps a better example - you don't always need to make a player roll to find traps when they're looking, especially if their score is much higher than the DC - you can just say "while investigating, you find this trap". Maybe your story is more interesting because the trap is ingenious and needs something clever to disarm it, maybe it can't be disarmed, and triggering it is a choice they have to make or go another way. Maybe the existence of the trap is only there to provide context or detail to the group, and it's not intended to be a threat.
  
  This goes for attacks too. Almost all of the time, the players will have less fun if they know the world is pulling its punches, because they'll know there's no risk and they'll always win - it's not fun or satisfying to beat a challenge that was rigged in your favour after all.
  
  But... if the GM knows for sure that everyone will be miserable if (x character) dies, and they think it will make the game or the story worse, they can just roll a die behind the screen and not look at it, then say "oh it missed" just... don't do it every time.
Huh ackchtually it's only a cannonization if it's made with a cannon. Using a trebuchet, it's obviously a bestsiegengination
There is a wide range in how RPGs can be played. For TSR era D&D there it has a lot of in built mechanical flexibility. White Wolf games like WoD or Exalted adds a layer of dramatic flexibility at the expense of in-built heroics, which works well for a dark modern setting.

I really like a lot of games for different reasons. WW games, particularly Wraith, are some of the more interesting to run. Due to the higher reliance on player creativity and inter-character interactions. I really enjoy Wraith's shadow system for creating interactions between players for character flaws.

Paranoia is perhaps one of the most interesting GM experiences because it encourages so many deviations from standard gamemastering; railroading, PvP, splitting the party, killing PCs, ... . Still it works so well.
Without real dice it's just a railroad to amateur creative writing and improv by the DM.

Hey, at least Satan comes to sessions on time. Last time we played, jesus was 3 days late!

At least he actually turned up for you! He came the first time and it was great, but I've been waiting years for him to come again and nothing. I guess he just doesn't want to hang.

Jesus saves! Everyone else takes full damage

thank you

Fun fact

I roll in front of my players during combat

It adds to the tension

I can always fudge enemy HP though, and often I do

Oh, that's good. Thank you. I'll use that

The real life pro tip is always in the comments.
I'm just starting to DM, do you disclose how much HP creatures have to your players? Just did a combat sim with my guys last week to see if we understood the combat system and that probably affected how they played.
- A common way to get around explicitly giving the HP of a monster and telling them nothing is the "They look... " rule. When they ask how many HP the baddie has left, tell them "They look injured, but not enough to hinder them" or "they look bloody and totally messed up" etc. As a rule of thumb, you can decide their health into quarters and come up with a common phrase for each, or come up with them on the fly depending on the situation: "Grog's hammer has left some of its ribs broken, but it looks healthy enough to keep fighting for a while."
- 4e had a specific status called "bloodied" that creatures gained when they dropped below half HP, this represented that one of the attacks on them has been a telling enough blow that they're showing signs of injury. I brought this with me to 5e, because it's a useful contextualizer for players to get a feel for how well they're doing.
  
  One advantage of this system (especially for new DMs) is that if you massively overspec an encounter and the players are in trouble, you have some time to realize it's going badly, and can drop the monster's HP pool a little to compensate.
  
  One advantage of this system (especially for experienced groups) is that if the party are doing badly, and haven't realized it - the moment you say "right, the enemy is bloodied" they realize that they've "only" done half the dragon's HP, and are reminded that retreat is an option they can take. Remember that if the whole party decides to retreat, it can be good to drop out of combat, and make the attempted retreat a skill-based challenge, rather than trying to run the retreat on the combat grid. 5e makes it very very difficult for creatures to "outrun" other creatures that are trying to kill them, and the combat system doesn't handle retreating well.
  
  If you want a mechanic for it, ask the player who wants to know to make a medicine check - this can add value to the medicine skill (which doesn't see a lot of play):
  
  If they beat 10, you give them a very rough idea, like "they've been hit a couple of times but they look like they're going strong"
  
  If they beat 15, give them a loose fraction to the closest 1/4 or so "they've lost about 1/4 of their HP" etc
  
  If they beat 20, give them a number to the nearest 5 or 10 (depending on if you're low or high level.)
  
  Increase these DCs by 5 if the monster is something that they'd be unfamiliar with the biology of - how easy is it to tell how hurt an air elemental is? not very.
  
  An important thing to always remember is, every table is different, if one thing works for your group - do that, don't think that you have to follow any piece of advice just because it came from someone who sounded authoritative, or gave you a lot of numbers.
- Usually not until they're below half or unless a player asks, I never give them the actual numbers though as I feel that would detract from the experience.
  
  For me the players having a fun experienceb and building a character's story is more important than explicitly wargaming
I fudge enemy stats all the time, or at least I used to. These days I play blades in the dark, and before that I no longer needed to fudge much after years of practice.

The argument about fudging usually presumes some sort of pity for injured players and creates a strawman out of that. I don't fudge hits or misses to save people, I fudge to keep the fight moving along. Six rounds of "your sword clatters against its scales but it seems to be holding up okay" gets old really fast. If the fight is taking too long I whip out some kind of tension ramping effect and drop the enemy hp. "Oh no, it dumps over a cauldron of acid! (But it only has 20 hp left not 60 because this is getting slow)"

Do whatever you want but the Dungeon Master's guide encourages DM's to (sparingly) fudge rolls to avoid your players getting screwed over by bad luck. It's not against the rules at all.

Source: DnD 5e DMG page 235 and 237

Funny, my Hackmaster book p. 113 says fudging dice is cheating. But you are free to roll dice with the devil.
- That's a player guide lol. Only the DM should fudge.
Crawford 235:237
- Based and THEONETRUEBIBLE pilled.

I fudge die rolls all the time. Both ways. Satan is more than welcome at my table.

As long as your table has fun, who cares? 🤘👹🤘
- At least for my table, fun is the only goal. Some people do have fun being rules lawyers...though not at my table!
I mean, what kind of adventure would it be without a deal with at least one devil? Satan knows how to party.

Needing to fudge dice usually means the rules have failed.

A common trope is "I don't want my PC to die!". Fine. Reasonable. You can have rules about that. Look at how Fate handles "concede" and getting taken out. Look at how DND does jack shit.

Many games also have a fail forward mechanic. You don't need to fudge their check if the rules have mechanics for "if you really want to succeed but luck isn't on your side, here's what you can pay to succeed"

DND kind of sucks.

Youre right. Its not like death was part of the mechanics from the start, they also could be ignored.

Also, there totally isnt like 5 different ways for the players to rez a pc.

And lets forget about habing NPCs do the rezing as a sidequest.

I say all that, but I love death. I WANT my PC to die if he dies. Thats how you get thrills. Suspense. Tension. Playing with cheats on is fun, but gets boring fast.
- Played a control/support wizard for almost two years. Died to a power word kill and BBG used his soul as a bargaining chip. Party was too full of themselves and newer players, they called his bluff, my wizard was perma dead. The rest of the session was them as players and characters coming to terms with his death. It was god damn beautiful and one of my favorite memories in gaming.
  
  Please DMs, kill your ~~players~~ player's characters. For the character development.
  
  Edit: being neurodivergent I sometimes forget that people can have personal feelings that I find illogical, so as the comment under mine says; please make sure your player or players are not going to be traumatized if you kill their characters. As a DM I have always done this, because even if they are killed off I want the players input on how it goes, but that is for narrative reasons and I had not considered how badly it could have gone if I hadn't been asking. I have never been asked by a DM, it just doesn't bother me because to me it is a part of the fun and magic of TTRPGs.
- Also, there totally isnt like 5 different ways for the players to rez a pc.
  
  Depends on character level, setting, game tone. Not a universal solution to a universal problem.
  
  And lets forget about habing NPCs do the rezing as a sidequest.
  
  Not every game lends itself well to an unexpected sidequest. Also what is the dead PC's owner to do in the interim? This introduces a lot of questions and is also not a universal solution.
  
  Did you read how defeat works in Fate? You can have death.
  
  https://fate-srd.com/fate-core/conceding-conflict . If you don't want to go look it up, I'll summarize here:
  
  In a conflict, before a roll is made, you can Concede. This is a Player action, not a character action. It means that you give up the conflict, but you get a say in what happens. You don't get whatever you were fighting over, but so long as the group agrees it's reasonable you can get something like "taken prisoner" or "left for dead." You also get a Fate point, which is nice. (D&D also has an extremely lackluster meta currency system, but that's a separate discussion). Note that it's not the DM just deciding what happens to you. That's for getting Taken Out.
  
  If you instead let the roll happen, and you take more stress (damage) than you can hold, you instead get Taken Out. When that happens, you have no say. Barring normal social contract stuff, whoever was coming at you has free rein to just be like "And the spell explodes your head."
  
  This is in the rules. To me that's much better than D&D's wishy-washy "maybe the DM will do this or that" standard. I don't want to hash this out at every single table I join from first principles.
  
  D&D kind of sucks because it leaves a lot of important things up to the DM, so you get wildly different experiences depending on whatever half-baked whims this table has. And you have to have these conversations over and over again. And some people never will know there's other ways things could be, and leave the hobby or just be unhappy.
  
  Some people might say "leaving more up to the DM is better" but that's wrong. Clearly going maximum calvinball "whatever the DM says in this moment" is not the platonic ideal of a game. At least not for me or anyone I know. Some rules are important. D&D is missing some important ones. And has too many rules in other places.
It's fine so long as everyone's on board with PC death, but this is just an example of D&D struggling to hold onto a giant audience with conflicting views. If they get rid of death, the people who actually play D&D the way it's meant to be played get pissed off. If they don't, the more narrative-focused players (who really shouldn't be playing D&D in the first place) will get pissed off. So they just ignore it.
In video game design there is the MDA framework. Where mechanics (rules) create dynamics (gameplay flow) that express aesthetics (genre and emotional expression). Thus in d&d the rules change the actions players take and these actions determine the tone and feel of the game. This is why Silvery Barbs is miserable, the dynamic it creates diminishes the roleplaying aesthetic by breaking suspension of disbelief.

When looking at 5e the fact most players don't just homebrew a few rules, but gut large mechanics (light, encumbrance, gold, travel) of the game. This has completed removed WotC's control of D&D's dynamics. This breaks the aesthetics of the system. 5e in it's current state is not a heroic fantasy game, but everyone thinks it is. Which is why so many tables fail and new DMs burn out.
Rules don't have to fail to fudge dice. You do it to curate the experience - the dice give us the illlusion of fairness but that's about it. Just because we expect them to roll somewhere in the averages doesn't mean a common bandit won't roll four crits in a single encounter or one of your playera won't have a session where they cannot roll above 6.

I had to look it up to make sure-- there is an actual Chick tract about D&D and it is both hilarious and disturbing

Yep, that one gets around whenever people discuss the satanic panic.
Did you know they made a movie out of it?

A D&D player won the lottery and decided to spend his winnings in an attempt to “bring Jack Chick's epic 1984 graphic novel / tract to film.” He got the rights from Jack Chick, ran a KickStarter (the lottery winnings were, after all, a mere $1000), and then he partnered with Zombie Orpheus Entertainment. They made a short film based off it and screened it at Gen Con back in 2014: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Dungeons_(film)

Fun fact - it was not a parody. They took themselves seriously the whole time and stayed true to the source material. Worth a watch, IMO.

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Dave looks so fucking done

He's obviously been DMing for at least those 2 years.

Welp, there's my WTF for the day

Not a single HAW HAW HAW in that entire Chick Tract edit? sicko-wistful

There's some legendary reverse psychology being performed by Satan here.

Classic Satan

I've been collecting Chick Tracts I find laying around, and my Holy Grail is finding a copy of the one about the satanic game of dungeons and dragons, titled Dark Dungeons. Unfortunately it's a niche subject and not included in their variety packs, you have to order it specifically, which means unless I find a very specific crank still caught up in the satanic panic there's a very low chance of ever finding it in the wild

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I roll dice because it makes a nice noise and enhances the experience for the players: they think I'm rolling secret stuff that'll result in an ogre attack!