China rams Philippine ship while 60 Minutes on board; South China Sea tensions could draw U.S. in
China rams Philippine ship while 60 Minutes on board; South China Sea tensions could draw U.S. in
Chinese ships have repeatedly rammed Philippine ships in the South China Sea. The U.S. has a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, which could lead to American intervention.
An escalating series of clashes in the South China Sea between the Philippines and China could draw the U.S., which has a mutual defense treaty with the Philippines, into the conflict.
A 60 Minutes crew got a close look at the tense situation when traveling on a Philippine Coast Guard ship that was rammed by the Chinese Coast Guard.
China has repeatedly rammed Philippine ships and blasted them with water cannons over the last two years. There are ongoing conversations between Washington and Manila about which scenarios would trigger U.S. involvement, Philippine Secretary of National Defense Gilberto Teodoro said in an interview.
"I really don't know the end state," Teodoro said. "All I know is that we cannot let them get away with what they're doing."
China as "the proverbial schoolyard bully"
China claims sovereignty over almost all of the South China Sea, through which more than $3 trillion in goods flow annually. But in 2016, an international tribunal at the Hague ruled the Philippines has exclusive economic rights in a 200-mile zone that includes the area where the ship with the 60 Minutes team on board got rammed.
China does not recognize the international tribunal's ruling.
These comments are nuts, why are people happy about this? Did we swap over to sucking off china???
If you defederate from lemmy.ml most these commenters dissapear
I think people are mad that they keep nuking trade and trying to ramp up military involvement for a double solvable issue that would repair both the economy at home and negate a trade war with China.
Except that invovles proper market regulation and not slapping tariffs to protect monopoly profits.
Probably just hit a nerve with people that China's usual tactics of slamming boats is suddenly worthy of America getting invovled just because a news crew was onboard, but 10 months of actual warzone genocide reporting in Israel means nothing to the government.
Either that or there's just a bunch of pissed off tankies lmao.
Having looked, it's pissed off tankies.
I mean I get that, but this is pretty separate from Isreal, and this is the third time I've seen them do this myself. Seems like it's at least somewhat newsworthy. You can in fact have both the genocide news and this stuff too.
Can they somehow build the boat like a porcupine? Make it expensive to ram. Idk, dangle a directed sea mine on the side. Or something.
I feel like at that point you might as well put a few cannons on the boat.
The purpose would be to make it so the act of ramming is what causes them damage. Sure, they could actively attack the Chinese vessels, but it'd be a lot easier to claim no fault if the Chinese ship runs into you and that causes it to be damaged/destroyed.
I think having some hollow tipped spikes under the water line that detach and leave an inlet pipe in the Chinese ship could be a good idea. Explosive charges could be another option, but at what point is that an active or passive effect?
China does not recognize the international tribunal’s ruling.
The international tribunal did not have the standing to make the ruling that it did. China's claim to the ECS predates the UN and the international court, the UN (lead by the USA) stole control over the sea and retroactively legalized their theft while China was fighting a civil war.
For the record, Taiwan claims precisely the same thing. But they're a US-backed puppet regime so they can't move against the US the way that the PRC can.
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China's claim is the same as Italy claiming the whole Mediterranean as their own because at some point the Roman empire claimed it (Mare Nostrum, literally "our sea"). That's not how it works and it's clearly bullshit
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I didn't see Taiwan ramming anyone, did I? Also Taiwan is claiming to be China and all that because the PRC wants to keep the status quo. If Taiwan were to publicly renounce their pre revolution status and declare themselves an independent nation it would precipitate a crisis with China.
Also Taiwan is claiming to be China and all that because the PRC wants to keep the status quo.
Taiwan actively asserts its ownership of the South China Sea.
https://en.mofa.gov.tw/theme.aspx?n=1462&s=40&sms=294
China's claim is the same as Italy claiming the whole Mediterranean as their own because at some point the Roman empire claimed it
The claims of both the PRC and the ROC are based on their continued and historical use of certain islands in the sea. Vietnam makes the same claim. The tribunal ruled that those islands are too small to count. (Vietnam accepted the ruling. The PRC and the ROC both rejected the ruling.)
The Philippines, Malaysia, and Brunei base their claims to the sea on the concept of an Exclusive Economic Zone, which under international maritime law extends 200 nautical miles from their shores.
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Yikes.
China used "Fake Claim". It was not effective.
What a weird take
China bad propaganda. Instead of talking about the horrific civil war in Sudan, lets talk about ramming some ships and get the US involved in that... fucking insanity.
PS: Let me make this clear: I don't give a shit about what China does unless it involves actual ethnic cleansing and mass rape. If we don't give a shit about the latter, we shouldn't "get involved" in the former.
PS: Let me make this clear: I don't give a shit about what China does unless it involves actual ethnic cleansing and mass rape. If we don't give a shit about the latter, we shouldn't "get involved" in the former.
Funny you should bring that up... You should ask the Uyghurs in China about that.
Also, the world watched them impose their rule over Hong Kong, we watched their military murder their way through protesting civilians. We know what to expect from China, we've seen their playbook.
But Taiwan is an ally of the USA, Japan is an ally of the USA, and we will stand by them. There are many other sovereign nations in the waters of the South China Sea, China does not own all that territory.
It would be in China's best interest to back the fuck off.
Ok kiddo, I'm just gonna tell you the brutal truth.
Everyone likes the cheap stuff China makes, but we're not comfortable with how they run things, so every time we're reminded that they're going to be the dominant global super power by 2100 we freak out a bit.
Conversely, Muslims killing Muslims in a country that doesn't make anything we want isn't that important.
I'm not saying this is how things ought to be, but it is how things are.
but we’re not comfortable with how they run things
If you're not comfortable with totally eliminating extreme poverty, taking the largest steps of any country on the planet to combat climate change, and having a democratic government that exercises control over the capitalists rather than the other way around, then your comfort is not something worth caring about.
The Philippines is an ally of the US. And I'm sure that if countries start being violent towards the US, those encounters would be shown to the allies of the US, including discussions on what an alliance entails.
Your second point is much better though. But trying to liberate Chinese people within China is much different than wanting to defend an ally.
Plus China is a big bully in the sea there. They literally had the maritime borders they agreed on their official maps, but the last few years they have been redrawing them. It would be the same as Russia deciding their maritime borders are 10 miles from the US shore.
That's not how international politics works, though. It's way too complicated but one key principle is "do what the treat says you agreed to do." Because if you don't do it once, you're other Allies might not do it when it's your turn.
That's a gross oversimplification of course, but the point is that you don't want to end up going all Putin and telling your smaller allies to fuck off.
I think you mean 'treaty'? But i'm not 100% sure
Textbook whataboutism.
We should get involved.
The Chinese people deserve better than their occupying CCP regime.
Would that be before or after you elect a fascist "dictator on day one"? In a country where living costs make it impossible to have kids? Where healthcare spirals out of control and people don't call an ambulance because of fear of bankruptcy? Where 12 year kids are forced to bear their rape babies to term? You are literally on the cusp of fascism you moron.
There is plenty wrong with China and ramming boats is not nice. But your ghoulish lust for blood and destruction is disgusting your fucking fascist prick.
Americans will bitch and cry about Chinese propaganda, then eat Pentagon press briefs up with a spoon and call you racist for questioning a headline.
You will never see China Coast Guard vessel helps rescue a Philippine fishing boat in distress near Huangyan Dao ora far more generic Two foreign-flagged ships collide off Corregidor Island, 2 dead. You'll never have folks ask why these Philippine vessels are running aground and crashing into one another so often. Because that might suggest a problem with the enormously overstressed fisheries and ship channels all through the Pacific.
That might raise more general concerns about the unregulated nature of naval policy in a region dominated by private shipping companies.
So much easier to just run a parade of articles saying "Gulf of Tonkin! USS Maine!" on a loop.
We have the video. We can see the sea was not overcrowded by any means.
Can't wait for America to spend all it's money defending an island in the South China Sea while homelessness skyrockets and no one can afford healthcare. Awesome priorities
Well, those goods do help support the non-homeless and the health-insured too. Maybe we can have both?
Reading the headline... Isn't that running the ship aground?
Running a ship aground is something the crew does to their own ship. It does not involve other ships, only their own ship + the ground of a landmass.