Everyone defending Stein needs to ask themselves why in the world they would ask for votes for trump if you aren't voting green.
There's only one answer and just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.
A-fucking-men.
They can say they're voting green because the Democrats are too conservative for them, but if that's their go-to excuse then I'd say it's time to dump them now no? The party they support is just a lie to get conservatives in office.
Funny how she only pops up during presidential elections and doesn't seem to give two shits about the green party during literally any other election.
I voted for Jill once, and then she came out against vaccinations during the height of the Covid-19 pandemic and I realized she was an idiot.
She's as much green as she is dressed in green - just empty platitudes for people obsessed with the "sanctity of their body".
I'm still formally registered with both parties, but I get invited to vote in the Dem Primaries way more often
We need actually competent third parties, just being on the fringe doesn't make you competitive
Look I'm not the smartest person but I genuinely don't know what the answer is. Can you tell me what page of the back of the book it's on?
It's on page 69420 huehuehue.
The answer is: she's either a puppet being paid to help conservatives win power by taking potential Democratic voters, or she genuinely wants to help conservatives win power by taking potential Democratic voters. There's no reality where she's progressive or "left" of anything short of fascism.
When every goddamn election is down to like 13 people in some swing state then every vote matters. An exaggeration of course but not by much...
I got 2 downvotes so far but this is a sincere question
The answer is that Jill Stein is almost none of the things that people are accusing her to be in this thread. She didn't tell anyone to vote for Trump over democrats. She isn't Putin's puppet or a Russian spy just because she had dinner at the same table as Putin once. She never was anti-vax (i think she said people should be allowed the freedom to choose for themselves). She isn't a spoiler candidate and voting for her isn't a vote for trump.
All this shit is propaganda that's worked very well on democrats in the US.
Not sure that it proves horseshoe theory so much as it proves that Jill Stein in particular is a gutless wretch and a puppet without principles, and that 3rd parties running for the presidency in the US are deeply unserious.
I think if a third party were deeply serious about wanting to establish a viable political movement. They’d try building up at the local level first, the presidency should be one of the last steps of becoming “legitimate”, the unsexy local elections are where you build up support at being treated as a serious political movement. Instead, most current third party runs tend to feel like either spoiler campaigns and/or vanity campaigns, where I’m not even sure what good it would do them on the miraculous chance they happened to win the presidency, since third parties in general don’t have much presence in Congress. There’s like four “independent” members of Congress right now, good luck getting any of your third party platform initiatives done with likely no Congressional support.
My thoughts. When I run it will be as a independent or Ill start a party. But we will start by running for city council and mayor and small government positions.
That how you build a movement Bernie Sanders said they only way to change the system is from the bottom up.
It's impossible for an environmental party to compete with the campaign money pumped into dem and rep campaigns by corporate & billionaire backers. Billionaires make sure that only big business friendly candidates have a chance. Green party candidates do run for lots of seats but their is no big money support for their cause and money runs politics.
The whole thing is money, all the way down. It's only slightly different from rooting for your favorite sportsball stars until the electoral college (among other things) is brought into the modern age. The sooner these Cold War relics are out of office worldwide, the better our entire species' chances get.
Russia is doing this to fringe parties all over Europe – it simply doesn't matter to them whether they are left or right or whatever. So you get communist, leftist, fascist and populist parties all repeating Putin's phrases. And in this case, the green party's candidate.
I read that as puppy without principles and was like 🥺
If that is supposed to be your ultimate proof that horseshoe theory is real, you might have some more convincing to do
I wish it was, meaning ultimate as in "final", so they won't bring up that Enlightened Centrist bullshit again..
The comment that was liked says to "vote her if not Trump", it doesn't say to vote "Trump if not her".
A very important nuance. A more charitable explanation is that she is trying to get undecided voters. Which is exactly what a presidential candidate is supposed to do.
I agree both that there is a nuance in the difference strong enough to make the tweet in the post misleading/incorrect, and that Jill Stein is still nonetheless actively a bad-faith candidate who wishes for Trump to win
“vote her if not Trump”,
Sounds like Stein puts up a clear either/or choice for people. In other words, if you aren't voting for the weird orange felon, deprive Kamala Harris of a vote, and everyone knows Jill hasn't a chance in hell of winning. It is not nuanced at all.
A staffer probably went through and liked every post that said "vote green"
You're reading alot into 1 heart emoji on 1 comment
I went through my saved threads recently and there were many things there I don't remember seeing, never liked, and would not have had any interest in saving. Yet they ended up there because I fat finger things. Add the possibility of other social media persons having access to the account, liking it because she personally knew the person and didn't really cared what it said, etc, it seems like a single media account like isn't really that useful...
Who knows how many comments and posts I've accidentally up voted or down voted without even realizing it....
Jill Stein; world's most famous tankie.
Not even sure if she's a tankie as much as just a complete asshole
She is. It has always meant "when Russian tanks are coming, submit, don't resist, of course the Russians are justified rolling their tanks into other countries."
Stein is happy for every town in Ukraine to end up like Bucha, Bakhmut, and Mariupol. She's a tankie.
That’s literally not even how horseshoe theory works
Jill who had dinner with Putin? SHOCKED I tell you!!! It seems like the 'green' party is just paid with greenbacks by putin's government.
Can you please explain to me how that "dinner with Putin" is important? I keep seeing people referencing it, I've seen the photo and read the articles. Also, if you search, there are other photos of putin with other politicians, should I assume they are all bought and paid for if I can find a picture of two people together?
I'm more for factual information. This post of a reddit screen-shot by a poster who put up shitty information that's irrelevant seems really popular, is this just like an internet fan-trolling on 3rd parties in the US that both the left and right love to perform? I don't expect this to change if we even had a change in our electoral process, just more hating on other parties at this point.
"Dems need to be stopped" from doing what? Providing lunch for kids?
YUP.
Jill Stein has done more damage to the green movement in America than anyone else could have. She exists solely to damage Democrats and more importantly damage leftists. Her goal is to delegitimize and marginalize the green movement. She sucks all the money that could be spent doing real good at local levels where environmental issues can have the most effect. Presidential boondoggles all while City councils local Mayors local Congressman Etc could be affected.
Horseshoe theory is shit.
Just to be clear.
Enemy action is not what horseshoe theory describes either though.
If jill Stein and the green party were serious about being elected then they'd be supporting state and local green party candidates. You never hear about jill Stein at midterm elections stumping for congressional seats.
The greens aren't a serious political party, they're cosplayers running a pyramid scheme
Yeah I found that out and was flabbergasted. They aren't even trying to run in congressional seats. It's all this attempt to jump straight to state and presidential office.
Ranked. Choice. Voting.
Speaking of, Canada is potentially taking a second swing at electoral reform soon. Who knows... Good timeline, it might kick something off
IMO, it should be two rounds. The first (the "primary" round) should be ranked choice voting to pick the top two and the second should be majority vote between these final two choices.
RCV is definitely an improvement, but approval is better
I'm not a fan of Stein and definitely not of Trump, but this seems like a very circumstantial and flimsy thing to base that claim on.
Indeed. She's liking people talking about voting for her if they're unsatisfied with their current party...the photo of her with Putin at the RT dinner has much worse optics I don't think people need to deep dive into generic instagram likes.
To be fair, Jill Stien isn't running her own Instagram account. It's probably some intern that's scrolling through comments and liking anything that says, "vote Green."
Oh wow, I wonder what the next excuse the greens will give me when I point out that they're a joke spoiler party, now that we have evidence that they're a joke spoiler party.
Could someone with Instagram check if she maybe just likes any comment that says vote green?
Remember kids!
Get
Republicans
Elected
Every
November!Not to support Jill Stein but i often like things sarcastically. Not usually political statements, however.
Source please, I would like this reference
This does seem like a stretch. We definitely need forces pulling the ruling party to the left to counteract forces pulling them to the right. With AOC and Bernie softening their tone, and most of the squad eradicated by AIPAC, the balance is off. I wish the Greens had come up with someone fresh instead of running Stein yet again.
Jill Stein has some good ideas but her party needs to spend some quality time working on a very narrow set of counties/states they're strongest in.
I think there will be some appetite in the electorate for an anti-establishment, voter-reform, anti-corruption left party. The US sorely needs a nice set of representatives that bring forward fresh ideas and criticism to the parliament.
The strategy for third parties should always be to get some seats and then hope for a hung parliament to get one or two policies adjusted and voter reform as a coalition agreement.
Jill Stein has some good ideas
She does not.
I don't know any of her specific policy ideas, so I can't comment on those, but I was under the impression that her main idea was the whole "we should all stop trashing the planet we all live on" thing, which is, generally speaking, a very good idea. I admit that doesn't mean her plans to do something about it are any good.
You don't think that stopping the current genocide in Palestine is a good idea? Are you a Nazi?
If the Green Party really wanted to do something other than bolster spoiler candidates, they'd be spending their funds on lobbying, instead of trying to just grab one office at the top of the chain out of literally nowhere.
jill stein way predates trump. this title is stupid. full stop.
She's the only anti-genocide candidate on the ballot. That's enough to get my vote
She's the only anti-genocide candidate on the ballot. That's enough to
getwaste my vote.Fixed it for you.
She's not even anti genocide. Russia bombs hospitals and schools and kidnaps children and attempts the extermination of the Ukrainian people, she doesn't object to that. In fact when it comes to the genocide of Ukrainian people she says we should stay out of it cuz it doesn't affect us. Which is an interesting stance this take if you claim to be anti- genocide.
My conscience won't allow me to vote for someone who is handing weapons to mass murderers. I'm not wasting my vote, I'm using it exactly how I want to use it. I wish I could compartmentalize the way you do and focus on the bigger picture but I just won't be able to sleep if I give my vote to a genocider. I'm sorry
