Can't believe even history is going WOKE! 😡

/s

I had always assumed that Hunter-Gatherer societies were very loosely sex divided and strongly necessity based. Meaning, sure men could be the typical hunter and women the typical gatherer but if necessity dictates, any person would do any job, and, given the times, that was probably frequently.

Furthermore they also likely didn't have societal structures the way modern societies did, meaning people likely weren't barred from any job or forced into any job, it was a community effort for survival, if you meet a criteria that can help, you do that.

These are not factual statements, these are just my assumptions on how I figured they reasonably existed.

I absolutely agree with the thesis that both men and women hunted, but I think the claims of women's superior endurance are not represented in reality. The fastest marathon time for men is 2 hours 1 minute and for women it is 2 hours 14 minutes. These were in 2023 and 2019 respectively, so it's not like it was years ago with drastically different treatment of the sexes. Both runners were Kenyans too, so that limits non-sex based biological differences.

I don't buy that it is socialization. For one thing, the difference disappears in sports like shooting and horseback riding where physicality is not the determining factor. On top of that, when children compete at sports there are negligible performance differences until after puberty. The article mentions the record a woman holds for swimming across the English Channel. I think that women's higher body fat provides buoyancy that massively reduces the energy required to stay afloat for a prolonged time. We don't see the same supposed superiority in other endurance events.

This link touches on many of the same topics as the main article and adds some more info.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20240731-the-sports-where-women-outperform-men

My theory is that men evolved much higher grip strength due to incessant masturbation.

Mounting evidence from exercise science indicates that women are physiologically better suited than men to endurance efforts such as running marathons.

Looking at marathon athletic records; that's not at all true and took me about 3 min to verify. In fact, out of all the top 25 record times, all are by men (and almost all Kenyan and Ethiopian men).

What is this tripe? They could at least try to be serious..

Huh, I wonder why virtually every uncontacted tribe we've found so far has the men doing all* the hunting?

*I don't consider foraging for clams hunting, but people are free to disagree

Ah, the sound of Joe Rogan's head exploding.

It seems obvious that some of the women would be better hunters than some of the men. But that only suggests that too much specialization was bad, not that there wasn't any specialization at all. So headline seems wrong.

Also persistent hunting seems like the most inefficient type of hunting. You exhaust yourself and the prey and loose calories, the time it takes, traveling far over unknown terrain and then having to carry it all the way back and beware other predators. Is the argument that women are best at "shitty hunting"?

I imagine you'd track an animal, get close, throw spear, miss, keep tracking the animal. And if they haven't invented the spear yet, can they even be called human?

Naked and Afraid and Women Who Hunt

Sounds like a very ...interesting show.

Geez I like that pic!

The theory proposes that hunting was a major driver of human evolution and that men carried this activity out to the exclusion of women. It holds that human ancestors had a division of labor, rooted in biological differences between males and females, in which males evolved to hunt and provide and females tended to children and domestic duties. It assumes that males are physically superior to females and that pregnancy and child-rearing reduce or eliminate a female's ability to hunt.

Oh boy, what a load of bullshit to start an article that may very well have a solid point. I lost all interest in reading at this paragraph.

"It holds" - as if there was only one theory - and everyone who believes that men were mostly hunters and women mostly gatherers would be guilty of the assumptions mentioned thereafter.

I, for one, only ever heard that due to men mostly hunting (because women were busy with children), men evolved to have a better perception of moving images e.g. small movements of prey in hiding, and women evolved to have a better perception of details of inanimate objects (e.g. finding things to forage). And that explanation - while not necessarily correct - made sense, and is in no way the sexist bullshit that the article insinuates.

The author of that article is not doing feminism a favor by basically alleging "all who believe men evolved to hunt and women to gather are chauvinists".

Were you also watching Seinfeld yesterday? It was one of his stand-up bits before or after the show

I think the wrong point of view here is using evolution as the biological term. As we are genetically make to do that. We probably are not. As most human behavior is not a product of genetics but a product of culture.

"science"

I like how they are lumping hunting and trapping in one pot

Trust me bro

Who gives a fuck lol as long as I eat.

So damn sexy

This article boils down to "well women can run marathons too, so let's throw history out of the window"

Meh...call me when a woman holds the world record for a marathon. It might happen in the next 100 years, but I strongly doubt it.

What bugs the shit out of me about all this...of course women hunted in times of need. They also hunted small game to help the tribe as needed.

I don't think that disrupts the overarching narrative of the male hunter and female gatherer. It's a general rule rather than a law.

[Edit] I think people are misunderstanding my comment. In no way is this meant as something negative. I've just come to notice that most men don't do a little squeal when startled, but women do. I just notice these things and I'm curious why there's a difference.

No shit it's wrong. Has anyone ever gone hiking with a bitch? They have no sense of direction, only way I'd send one out to gather is if I didn't mind her not finding her way back.