So by historical analogy, they want to elect harris, have the chuds start a civil war about it, then have harris stop funding israel's genocide as an exigency of that civil war somehow?
Harris wins, Trump declares civil war, Israel recognizes Trump as president and sends troops, the US begins directing the MIC infinite weapons hose to Hamas and destroys Israel?
Ok this made me internally chuckle twice
Once at the Trump "I declare... BANKRUPTCY. Shit, I mean, CIVIL WAR!" mental image
And second at the idea of Israel "sending troops" to the US. I don't know why that's so fucking hilarious. Probably because 80% of them would die in accidents on the way and the ones who managed to land would get shot by racist chuds who hear them speaking Hebrew or accented English and think they're invading Arabs.
Like I'm just picturing that dumb fuck 5 star general, commander of... whatever titles they made up for him... the guy who gave the "tour" of the hospital showing "proof" that Hamas was embedded there and using it for military purposes. That guy landing on a beach in South Carolina, dehydrated, one of the few survivors and he sees the chuds rolling down the beach in an armored vehicle after they detected the incoming watercraft.
They're shining blinding lights on him and over the megaphone demanding like
"Are you a Yankee? Are you with Kamala? Answer or we shoot!"
"No, no, friend! I have come to help fight KHamas! We have great army! Please, can I have some wa-"
"Did that big-head fucker just say he's Hamas? Trump warned us about them! Open fire, boys!"
Actually it's kind of an apt comparison. They just don't realize that Lincoln was never really anti-slavery and was only really forced into that position because the Republicans in the Northern states demanded it.
"And that's why you should always vote Democrat! We can push them left!"
So they’re saying leftists should use the same tactics abolitionists used to pressure the state into ending slavery? Ah yeah it’s
time!i seriously am struggling to understand what their position here is if it's not "domestic terrorism is good fine and necessary but you ALSO HAVE TO VOTE"
Although he already had a draft emancipation proclamation prepared, Lincoln responded with his own open letter to Greeley, which he published in the National Intelligencer in Washington, D.C. Lincoln stated plainly that the goal of his administration's policies, including those related to slavery, was to save the Union. "My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that." Lincoln carefully noted that this represented his official position.
He was never the liberator libs make him out to be. He only wanted to free the slaves because it was the only way to prevent the Confederacy from seceding.
And he had no interest in integrating these newly freed people into US society. He had some weird fixation about shipping them all off to some island or something so he wouldn't have to deal with them, mentioning it several times even after being told it's a bad idea
Yup. Black people freed themselves from white people.
Lincoln just saw the opportunity to get more soldiers to prevent the collapse of the settler project.
Isn't that how Liberia originated?
He only wanted to free the slaves because it was the only way to prevent the Confederacy from seceding.
Isn’t that what directly led to their secession though? Or do you mean it was the only way to rally the North to force the union back together?
He needed soldiers to fight for the union to prevent the Confederacy from gaining a victory. In the link I posted, they said that Lincoln already had a draft of the emancipation proclamation ready before he published this letter.
His intention was never to free the slaves, but to preserve the union. One way to gain new soldiers was to declare the slaves of the Confederacy free.
The confederates wanted to keep slavery, the union freed the slaves. If you were a free slave in the Confederacy, who would you fight for? The side that just freed you, or the side that wants to keep enslaving you?
I would refrain from posting in the community built around a person outed as a child pornography enjoyer, but I guess some people are different
Ironically they are quite puritans for anyone except vaush
Well I'm convinced not to vote for Lincoln
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the thread is so fucking over now but I want to be included
holy shit why are they still commenting
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Libs are always like "don't worry about the current genocide or the current war, the best time to put pressure on politicians is after they've won the election and there are zero conditions to get our vote. She needs to be free now to make promises to anyone about anything other than whatever it is we care about."
let them cook if Harris' election was going to cause a civil war i think we'd have to strongly consider itIf you haven't read it, "Black Reconstruction in America" by WEB DuBois is an excellent and eye opening book that shows you both how much of a POS Lincoln was really and how Reconstruction could've been far more revolutionary for POC (land redistribution, etc) if it weren't for people like him. (Though Andrew Johnson after him was much worse)
you know what? i'm convinced. they got me.
this November - 2024 - i will be casting my
for abraham lincoln.
Writing in Avraham Linkhalm
Abracadabra Lipbalm
trying to make a clumsy analogy and accidentally venerating John Brown in the process (which is the correct position).
also as far as I know Karl Marx congratulated Lincoln on the 1864 election not the 1860 election. By 1864 Lincoln had become much practically anti-slavery compared to his initial platform in 1860. Lincoln repeatedly proclaimed his position was to contain slavery, not eradicate it, but the horrors of the civil war probably changed his mind once he saw the stakes at hand. His 1864 platform included a proposal to end slavery by constitutional amendment.
what is this even supposed to be saying? That a vote for Kamala Harris is actually voting for a ceasefire in Gaza? Harris is currently responsible for a genocide and her platform is to continue support for genocide. She isn't even proposing to limit, contain, or pressure Israel into stopping. She just had a meeting with Netanyahu and shook his hand like three weeks ago. A better analogy would be an alternate reality 1860 Lincoln as a southern democrat with a lifetime of lending aid to slave states, then ran for president in 1860 and said some wishy washy things about how he'll wag a finger at slave owners. But he's been personally selling whips, chains, and plantations to slave owners for decades. Then he invited the largest slave owners of every southern state to a big banquet and shook all their hands. And then I'm told by the 1860 version of Va*sh that Lincoln is actually an abolitionist, or that we can't worry about slavery right now because of other things going on.
i wish these liberals would just come out and say they do not care about Palestinians. Like you could at least say Lincoln was proposing to limit slavery's expansion, and he foolishly believed this would end slavery. Harris and Biden have no proposals whatsoever about Palestine other than give Israel more weaponry and aid. They're not even pretending, they're fiercely pro-Israel in a way that can't be compared to Lincoln's tepid, flawed incrementalism.
Also he wrote it before 13 amendment was implemented so he probably imagined US abolition to be standard but alas.
Yeah the Republicans were definitively the antislavery party but they knew they couldn't legally end it under American federalism. At best they could limit and constrain the spread of slavery and chip away at it at the Federal level, which they knew when running. They were sort of feckless liberals unwilling to break or move outside of the system. Once Sherman had his march to the sea to show the norths resolve and the south was fully militarily occupied then slavery could be abolished fully in the union with the 13th ammendment.
Anyway, the analogy holds no water unless you're politically illiterate.
this is a shit analogy, voting for lincoln didnt stop a civil war and millions of people from dying, so
their whole messaging is voting harris to stop fascism
Literally the dumbest people on
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vaush fans and being historically illiterate? who woulda guessed?
More like "if you vote for Stephen A. Douglas, Andrew Jackson or John Calhoun, you're supporting slavery"
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