Almost like God isn't real and was made up by humans to control people.
You don't say?
what??
Where did you hear that?
I'm sure it wasn't made to control people, I think it was made to explain stuff they didn't understand and became a tool of control later
Based.
If you read the old testament in particular, god never denies the existence of other gods, only that he's the best one. Yahweh was actually just one god in an ancient pre Jewish pantheon. He was like Dionysus, a god of harvest and wine and rebirth. Different tribes had different chief gods, but all accepted the existence of the others. Just happened over time that the people who worshipped Yahweh were the only ones left and it became a monotheistic religion.
I'm sure back in the day, those gods were more similar to Greek gods, flawed and monstrous, and entities to fear. That's why the old testament god is such a psychopath.
I've never seen any evidence of him being anything but a war and storm god similar to Baal.
Great video on it for those interested: https://youtu.be/mdKst8zeh-U
Do we know what/who the other gods were?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yahwism
At the head of this pantheon was Yahweh, held in an especially high regard as the two Israelite kingdoms' national god.[3] Some scholars hold that the goddess Asherah was worshipped as Yahweh's consort,[3] though other scholars disagree.[4] Following this duo were second-tier gods and goddesses, such as Baal, Shamash, Yarikh, Mot, and Astarte
Some appear in the bible or are mentioned. Baal I know was one. And was later turned into a satan thing by medieval Christians. Ashira as well gets mentioned in the Bible in a vague sense, but she was the wife of Yahweh.
They mentions the egypts gods too, don't remember where, I only know because my mom got angry at me when I questioned that part lmao
Its a shame that a lack of hard evidence and a disdain for looking for more from theological groups resisting demystifying their religion means we don't know or have records on a lot of the early days of poly to mono theism.
Considering it looks like the 18th Dynasty of Egypt had a push to move away from Poly in Amun that involved building a new captial with the help of skilled laborers from the North Canaanites only to be be attacked for their position by the older poly religious leaders causing the downfall off the new capital falling and the workers fleeing back across the desert...
I mean there is so much to piece together of how politics and the empires of the time influenced how we as humans and religions developed but then you might ruin the idea of magic with real world incredible stories.
Elohim (one of his several names; I like this one, because it betrays his Canaanitic roots) is one of several Canaanitic gods, which makes a lot more sense than him being the only god yet him being jealous of other gods (that don't exist).
Edit: El was also portrayed as a calf, which makes the worshipped golden calf make a lot more sense in the story of Israels formation. What does not make sense is the pre-Israelites going to a land they already lived in, historically speaking
For sloth, the dude worked for one week and didn't do squat after that.
To be fair though, according to the book he did like everything during that one week.
Burnout is real folks
I think we should have magic, he stopped working too soon.
Six days*
God created hell so we can one day drag his psychotic ass there.
Not defending god here but afaik the 7 deadly sins come from the divine comedy
Edit: It appears I was mistaken. They are just not directly mentioned in the bible.
They aren't listed in the Bible, but they definetly weren't made up by Dante
but it is ultimately completely pointless. someone(or rather many someones) made up the OG bible canon and some fanfics are becoming almost canon by being well known. same difference
Revelation is one of the most quoted judeo-christian texts, and I recently learned that it was written as a fanfic and it took the fandom a surprisingly long time to recognise it as part of the official lore.
The term isn't found in the bible,but there are plenty of references to the sins.
Mark 7:20-23 (NLT) 20 And then he added, 'It is what comes from inside that defiles you. 21 For from within, out of a person’s heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, lustful desires, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. 23 All these vile things come from within; they are what defile you.'
Proverbs 6:16 - 19 (KJV)
These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood
An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief
A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren
Most are derived from Psalms, Proverbs, and other locations in the old testament. It came from Catholicism. The weakest of the seven for a Biblical origin is Sloth, as it is derived from a failure to act in line with scripture. The list itself is not of canonical origin but is instead a collection of thoughts in a simplification that is easier to digest and remember.
There is some value in the scripture when it comes to philosophy, however small that may be. It is a great example of what humans were able to directly observe in their time, the ways humans were manipulated with their vulnerabilities, how politics and religion were the same thing in past eras, and many other minor intrigues. Still, 99% of life that has ever existed has gone extinct, and there is not a single reference in scripture that reflects ontological knowledge of the universe. Every bit of every religious work around the world can be explained by human observations and meddling. If a God exists, the least they could have done is prove their existence by giving any of the cosmological constants that are the fundamental building blocks of the universe, or act like a sane person and give me a call any time - my phone is on. Faith is a synonym for fantasy, and primarily persists because of religious isolationist social networking, and teaching faith to gullible children before they have a choice in their social networking development path.
Yeah, they aren't biblical, basically just Christian fanfiction
Funny thing - no god(s) have ever punished a single person for any of those transgressions - only people do.
Wat.
Uhm.. ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? Wiped the fk out nuclear strike style.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2AbrETkZLE
Archeologists confirmed.
Hold your hat sir, you have been found to be spreading misinformation
The archeologist opinion is
Despite the hype, archaeologists have consistently reaffirmed over the years that the formation is natural, not the result of a petrified shipwreck, and that there is no geologic record of a global flood like the one described in religious texts.
https://www.popularmechanics.com/science/archaeology/a45700571/was-noahs-ark-found/
The story reads like a near miss for the protagonist as a volcano wiped out a town, plus many years of improvements to the story
I'm not planning on watching your video, but I'm sure they found a pillar of salt and generically tested it to find it was actually a god-scorned woman /s
Note that the seven deadly sin isn't present in the bible, and is a later addition.
Yep. The whole idea of seven deadly vices and seven heavenly virtues is a Christianization of the Ancient Greek ideas of virtues and vices. There really isn’t a direct connection to the Bible.
That might be the most satisfying up vote anyone has ever given.
Rules for thee but not for me
I'm not saying it's real, but if it was, can you really make a case for all 9 billion people (or however many there are now) to have the same powers as a God?
"Do as I say, not as I do"
Exmo take: there are divine attributes to each sin.
Sloth is to be meek and humble.
It is good to healthfully "lust" towards your lawfully wed spouce.
Take pride in your work, and family.
Be gluttonous in your education and church studies.
Be envious of God's attention by doing good acts.
There is a righteous wrath in terms of self defense and protecting others from wrongdoing.
And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.
There's a bunch of mental gymnastics involved but that's from when I was a "good mormon boy."
And greed, well you gotta be wealthy in order to afford giving God a nice juicy tithe. Also gotta be self sufficient.
According to Luke 16:13 Jesus said “You cannot serve both God and money.”
Mark 10:21 “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”
Mark 10:22, the guy had "great wealth" and was unwilling to part with it. Donating that money away would have bought him treasures in heaven (why would someone want treasures in heaven if they had absolutely no source of greed?).
As for the Luke 16:13, I'd argue that it was saying you cannot worship money, in the sense of hoarding it and having stupid amounts of surplus.
Matthew 25:14-30 Jesus gives a parable praising the men who double their investments and then disparages the guy whos net return was zero. A sloppy Google search says a talent at that time was worth about a 20 years salary, why are the guys earning around 1.5 mil and 600k good?
Be envious of God’s attention by doing good acts.
To be fair, the Greek pantheon would definitely punish mortals for upstaging them, so at least this God got some of his priorities in order
Bible god punished and divided all humanity for trying to build a tower to meet him
yeah well, all this just means god claims a monopoly on sins.
like your state claims a monopoly on violence, etc.
Yeah it's a just a lesson see?
Showing us how just how deadly
those sins can be so we must...
What he says not what he does
sung to the tune of 'hark! the herald angels sing'
You know the sins aren't really like that in the original text and I've taken to thinking this is just a collection of rules to help make a more productive second class work force.
Don't be sitting around when you could be working and don't think that just because you did the work you can claim to own it.
Don't be wanting more or better either. And if you eat to much you will forget the hunger that pushes you to keep working.
Don't fight back and be thankful for what you get and nothing else.I mean I get it sometimes the work needs to get done but christianity feels weaponized as a stick with a single carrot that you can never get to have cause it's been made up by the people getting beaten by the stick.
I don't want to be part of the chorus that exists eternal to praise Yahweh and nothing else.Rules? They're more a set of guidelines.
A check list, if you wish
As far as I know these sins are only sins for mortals. For example pride is wrong because you worship yourself instead of God. Sloth is wrong because it would be your job to better the world, not God's and so on.
Right, God knows better than you and is above it all you stupid animal, sit the fuck down, shut the fuck up, and blindly follow whatever the newest version of the Bible says, because that's what "faith" means
The gluttony one needs work tbh. Bit of a gish gallop there needing reinforcement.
I know Anon is, uh, joking and we shouldn't use a 4chan greentext for real discussion, but the wrath and envy points are why I'm more inclined to believe the Gnostic version of Christianity over the others. It's super weird and telling that the Judeo-Christian God is extremely jealous.
Envy is an interesting one, I think this is usually based primarily on the 'Golden Calf' story.
There's a bit of context that makes that story much more interesting. The stories that eventually led to what we think of as the christian god depict god as a bull. It brings up the possibility that the story wasn't calling out against worshipping other gods but instead a warning against reverting back to old ways, changes how you approach the story.
Historical evidence there is really all over the place though, there's a LOT of other interpretations and possibilities.
the one unique thing about the religion that became the abrahamic religions was that its followers went around the fertile crescent destroying other peoples temples and attempting to convert everyone to their religion and saying that their god was the only real one, and they never stopped doing that. Regardless of the interpretation of that one particular fantasy i think this particular god has the whole envy thing pretty well locked down.
God is a sigma
Don't forget... Gamboling is a deadly Sin.... Proceeds to fuck with Lot to win a bet
I think you meant gambling, but gamboling is probably disallowed by these nitwits too.
"Yaehab, such demonstrations of joy allow Satan into your heart!" *Backhands child*
DemiURGE to kill.. rising...
If He was up there chillin, letting this happen
Doin nothin, He'd be in need of a slappin
-Insane Clown Posse, Where's God?
Gee, it's almost like they are projecting like a narcissist would. But would religion really encourage narcissism as if the man of the household was God who should be obeyed unquestioningly and who equates love with boundary violations like murdering your own son if God demands it?
Not sure the gluttony thing is right. Has God ever been described eating literally anything?
He didn't create Eden for his future humans
Pride, wrath, envy, and sloth are correct. The others are a bit of a stretch.
Occasionally, anon discovers a human invention.
Well, it was never implied that God was supposed to be subject to the same commandments. The whole religion kind of requires holding God above one's self and others as well, as do many religions with creator gods. It doesn't really work if God is supposed to equal to us and subject to the same constraints, they're supposed by design to be omniscient and omnipotent and perfect and that's why we're supposed to trust in them and all their dictates if we want to 'saved'.
It's not a particularly remarkable insight or cutting blow to point out that God doesn't follow their own rules since everybody knows that including the devout and they think it's a good thing. I'd hazard a guess that the ability to accept this so readily probably explains a lot about overlap between strength of religious belief and embrace of dictators who also don't model their own edicts.
And in the same way God is allowed to have double standards and disobey the rules he set for humanity, Christian leadership is held to a lower standard and allowed to get away with things like pedophilia by the members of their church.
If I remember correctly the worship the one true god thing originally only applied to the Hebrews/Israelites. It wasn’t until Christianity that it was forced onto other people.
This is cringeworthy, but then most Internet atheists are.
(And I'm an atheist just not the reddit type)
Your comment is cringeworthy 😡😡😡
I agree, I usually keep to myself but I sort of hoped lemmy could do better than other social media in criticism of religion. But no it's still the same strawmanning that they do in religious circles towards us. I feel that it vindicates the religious that when they come here, all they see are very bad arguments against their belief system.
People get mad when God waits to punish evil then get mad when He actually does it. If God punished evil immediately, we'd all be dead lol. Also, in terms of tithing, it doesn't have to go to a church, just to a selfless but good cause. I even saw giving money to a friend who was financially struggling and had a bill to pay that they couldn't pay a "tithe". Asking people to give to charity isn't greed
People get mad when God waits to punish evil then get mad when He actually does it.
Never happened, nothing to be mad about. If you mean as an hypothetical scenario where a God exists and he punishes evil then I'm not sure people would get mad, unless they're evil themselves.
