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Palestinian prisoners describe widespread abuse in Israel’s jails

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11mo ago

Palestinian prisoners describe widespread abuse in Israel’s jails

www.theguardian.com /world/article/2024/aug/05/palestinian-prisoners-describe-widespread-abuse-in-israels-jails

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The fact that there’s ppl that are still willing to overlook this, despite the blatant evidence of apartheid and trauma the Palestinians face every single day, honestly makes me so frustrated.
- Overlook, hell, there are protests in Israel in favor of these human rights abuses.
- Blatant apartheid is what they faced every day for decades.
  Now they face genocide.
- They could have accepted that two state partition plan back in '47. Instead they launched a war on Israel months later trying to remove it from the map. They don't want peace. They won't take a two state solution. 80% of them currently support and agree with what happened October 7th. They currently support Hamas, just like they supported them when they voted for Hamas which ran on "we are going to destroy Israel."
  This past few decades they have been housed, fed, their population exponentiallly grew and continues to grow from 500k in '47 to currently 5.5 million. But no yeah, evidence of apartheid and trauma and whatever lala land fairytale they sell you.
  
  Nice dehumanization and victim blaming you got going there pardner.
  
  The settlements and Zionist aggression led by the head of the Labor Party, David Ben-Gurion, planned for the forcible transfer (Plan Dalet) of the Palestinians while rejecting any Bi-National State Solution in favor of Partition. The alternative to Partition was a Unitary State.
  On 31 August 1947, UNSCOP presented its recommendations to the UN General Assembly. Three of its members were allowed to put forward an alternative recommendation. The majority report advocated the partition of Palestine into two states, with an economic union. The designated Jewish state was to have most of the coastal area, western Galilee, and the Negev, and the rest was to become the Palestinian state. The minority report proposed a unitary state in Palestine based on the principle of democracy. It took considerable American Jewish lobbying and American diplomatic pressure, as well as a powerful speech by the Russian ambassador to the UN, to gain the necessary two-thirds majority in the Assembly for partition. Even though hardly any Palestinian or Arab diplomat made an effort to promote the alternative scheme, it won an equal number of supporters and detractors, showing that a considerable number of member states realized that imposing partition amounted to supporting one side and opposing the other.
  A History of Modern Palestine by Ilan Pappe, Page 181
  Plan Dalet, Declassified Massacres, Details of Plan C (May 1946) and Plan D (March 1948)
  The settlements represent land-grabbing, and land-grabbing and peace-making don’t go together, it is one or the other. By its actions, if not always in its rhetoric, Israel has opted for land-grabbing and as we speak Israel is expanding settlements. So, Israel has been systematically destroying the basis for a viable Palestinian state and this is the declared objective of the Likud and Netanyahu who used to pretend to accept a two-state solution. In the lead up to the last election, he said there will be no Palestinian state on his watch. The expansion of settlements and the wall mean that there cannot be a viable Palestinian state with territorial contiguity. The most that the Palestinians can hope for is Bantustans, a series of enclaves surrounded by Israeli settlements and Israeli military bases.
  Avi Shlaim: How Avi Shlaim moved from two-state solution to one-state solution
  
  Look, only one thing can be correct at once you dipshit. Get it /straight!
People might try to dismiss this as "of couree they would say that even if it wasn't true" to cast doubt, but every time I have heard about alleged torture during war & other violent conflicts the allegations are substantiated. Often it is even worse than the allegations that make it to headlines.
As is standard practice when you're a POW of a religious regime.
Disgusting all around.
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