'It is time for this war to end,' Harris tells Netanyahu; 'I will not be silent' on Palestinian suffering
'It is time for this war to end,' Harris tells Netanyahu; 'I will not be silent' on Palestinian suffering
Harris' remarks followed a meeting she held with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in Washington Thursday.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/17956865
'It is time for this war to end,' Harris tells Netanyahu; 'I will not be silent' on Palestinian suffering
Lol mixed messaging. You literally just condemned people protesting him coming to the US
Do you think we're this stupid?
Protests themselves often tend to be less popular than the causes they promote. Politically it can make sense to distance from a protest, but still align with a cause itself that is more popular
It's strange, but ultimately the cause itself is what matters here
Do you agree with her condemnation of hamas, and support for netanyahu?
She could've easily just ignored that protest, because it doesn't have anything at all to do with her. The only reason this is still getting democratic backing is because of institutional reasons. The rhetoric about, desert rose, shining star of democracy in the middle east, rings hollow when israel has done jack shit as a strategic ally for us for the past 70+ years other than get us wrapped up in multiple conflicts, use us as a weapons manufacturing base to keep the military industrial complex spinning constantly, and train our cops more and more poorly. I don't think your average democratic voter wants to keep hearing about this shit, I think your average voter wants to ignore this, or has bigger fish to fry in their immediate future, and I don't think outside of the republican party, which is swamped by doomsday cult evangelical zionists, there are any real hardline make or break "support israel or bust" guys in the democratic voter base. Maybe your super extremist brainbroken libs, but you're pretty much guaranteed to have their vote anyways, I think. It's that phantomic undecided voter that they always come back to. Real Hotelling's law shit, but they're like, stuck in a fucked up version of the centrism from the 80's, eternally, only changing the window dressing.
This is purely an institutional concern, and the more this comes up, the less time she has to actually show anything substantive to people. She doesn't understand how tenuous and ethereal her meme momentum is. People are satisfied with her now because she's not joe biden, and because she actually has a chance to beat trump, maybe, but after that satisfaction evaporates and the coconut tree and brat memes fall off with their half life of like, probably two weeks or less, she's gonna need something better than just "vote blue no matter who or else fascism will destroy democracy", or else it's just going to fucking beam us with the exact cynicism that's been the case for like the last two elections. She could even just fucking lie, and say as president she'll appoint more people to the supreme court, and reverse the reversal of roe v. wade, and even if she doesn't do that, the issue would probably still be a huge winner for her and help get her elected. But the more time she spends on israel's fuckups the more she's going to tread water, and if you're not moving forwards, you're sliding backwards.
I'm committed to posting this MLK quote as often as it is relevant:
First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season."
Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I'm at the point that I find this quote whenever I need it by opening my profile and sorting by controversial.
i hope you're right.
i haven't been able to vote democrat since obama's 2nd term and kamala seemed like it was possible again until i saw that distancing yesterday.
i also hope that it's not just lip service; but there's no way to know.
After a public letter condemning all protesters.
It's almost as if politicians (particularly at this level) often need to walk a rhetorical tightrope so as to avoid alienating large swathes of voters. Crazy.
It’s almost as if politicians (particularly at this level) often need to walk a rhetorical tightrope so as to avoid alienating
large swathes of voters[small set of powerful donors]. Crazy.FIFY
This. I say this every time and somehow it doesn't help, nobody gets it. Politics, any politics, is walking tightropes. Even dictators have to walk certain tightropes to not get toppled within minutes. Democracies are so much worse (and thus better, in the end) when it comes to tightropes everywhere
When I read the article it didn't seem like all, it was the violent ones and the ones who were tagging about Hamas on near/on government property (which like, kinda whatever to that one).
In that same article she condemned Hamas while talking about the lives of Gazans. I feel like people have been talking about the difference between Gaza and Hamas here on Lemmy, but when it's talked about by VP/Presidential Candidate it's suddenly not possible to have that be distinguished?
The only thing that she's missing here is our perspective, which overall seems to come down to, "yes the actions of Hamas are abhorrent and terroristic, however they also are doing so somewhat out of necessity due to the Israeli state working so hard to kill them. That doesn't make the actions of Hamas okay, it simply makes the citizens of Palestine stuck between two organizations." Hence our support for Palestine, because what are they going to do? It's death either direction, and at least one is wanting to give them statehood and the other wants them extinct.
She is partway there. She has recognized a difference between Gaza and Hamas, she has condemned the death put forth by both Hamas and Israel, while also speaking out against violent protesters and flag burners. Obviously, she is missing the fact that Israel wants Palestine the way Russia wants Ukraine the way China wants Taiwan. And that U.S. citizens are against that. Hence our protests.
So frustrating.
Same excuse Biden used to condemn the student protesters.
Read it again. It didn't say all protesters. No need to make shit up.
Stop sending them the munitions and money that cause the suffering and maybe we'll believe you
That reminds me of one interview with a random Israeli, I think a politician. Her attitude toward the US was one of "stop telling us what to do big guy." It was so utterly bizarre to read that. Yeah, don't tell us what to do, but do give us the weapons to do it with! Also, constantly shield us for any consequences from the international community!
In the past she had also wanted to be more vocal in previous speeches but it had seen it get watered down by the Biden administration. I think she will push for more than Biden ever did/will
Oh wow… ngl I am looking forward to hearing more from her. I know this is partially me being silly, but my vibe is weirdly slightly similar to 2008? Like, I know I'm probably just being overly optimistic, but at the same time… if she is now taking the gloves off because she’s gonna be the top dog… this is gonna be really interesting and potentially awesome to watch.
Talk is cheap. Do something to show you really mean it.
So she'll have no problem cutting the Israeli tumor off, right? Right???
"Plz maybe stop the genocide, anyway here's a bunch more bombs and some public diplomatic cover"
Lmao, sure, okay Jan. This is gonna be the same velvet-lined kid-glove bullshit Brandon handled Bibi with. Nothing will come of this, they'll still be butchering come this time next month. No support for Democrats until the materiel stops flowing and until Israel is cut off like the malignant tumor it is.
When it comes to a high ranking member of the administration that's enabled this genocide, I'll believe it when I see it
to all the people saying talk is cheap, calm down champs. she is not the president yet, she is still a part of the Biden administration and anything she does likely needs to be vetted by them. by saying such she accepts losing the support of certain lobbies which will give her more independence and leeway during her presidency I think. words matter more than you think, especially at the brink of an election, when pretty powerful organizations expect you to say things in a certain way.
No, fuck that. Words have been wind for four fucking years on this matter and she's inheriting the seat that the LAST genocider-in-chief had. If you curry favor from genocidal lobbies, you're a collaborator too, fuck off.
calm down champs
🙄
This has Mueller energy.
Its glorious to see Bibi fly all the way here for the dems to turn him into a basket for Kamala to dunk on.
Talk is cheap. Prove it and earn voters.
She didn't attend Bibi's Congressional political rally (it was mainly for the majority of Israelis who want Bibi gone), which is unusual for her. Then she punctuates her meeting with Bibi with this. Maybe it's just rhetoric. She will need to outline what sorts of consequences she's willing to impose on Israel.
I was going to vote Dem no matter what.
But I have multiple friends who weren't, solely because of Israel-Palestine (they weren't voting trump either, they were either going to abstain or write-in...useless)
But this has turned them around and, at least in my small circle, is meaningful.
Fingers crossed.
They got dissuaded just hours after the news released and only platitudes given? Yikes
Yeah, no one had ever even heard of Kamala Harris before a week ago, and she has no track record to speak of, so all we know about her are platitudes from the past few days /s
Fuck em up
God damn she might actually start to regain the trust of the Arab American Midwest communities that have recently been crucial to winning the election. It’s nice to have someone with a more modern and balanced stance. It’s not perfect, but it’s a LOT further in the direction of good than Biden on that point.
Protests are wrong. Genocide is complicated.
One liners are