Lemmy core devs have started work on a new front end using leptos
Lemmy core devs have started work on a new front end using leptos
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I’ve starting working on a lemmy front end called lemmy-ui-leptos using leptos, a Rust UI framework with isomorphic support, and tailwind + daisyUI for the component styling. This could eventually replace the frankenstein’s monster that lemmy-ui has become.
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They were using Nokia 3310s
Considering the amount of downtime I've seen with any somewhat large lemmy instance, I don't think that theory holds up
Isomorphic support? Isomorphic to what?
Same code renders ui and handles interactions on both server and browser/app
See the leptos docs on SSR
Itself, via the identity function
Very good news!
Sounds good, but I hope it doesn't take too much time that they ignore some of Lemmy's issues and missing features.
This is cool. I'm a front-end focused dev by trade and have been 11 years now. I've been picking up Rust as a side hobbie for 6 months or so and have not even peaked at these front-end frameworks. I know Lemmy is all about Rust, but I still think it's pretty cheeky they're using Rust for the front-end.
About Leptos specifically... If there's no shadow dom / rerenders and not trying to be react, I already like it better than it's competitor.
Isomorphic rendering seems horribly inelegant.
My first instinct is to just use server-side rendering for this, although that may not be possible since posting a comment involves rendering part of the page on the client side.
In light of that, my second instinct is to render entirely on the client side, but then Lemmy won't work without JS, which may or may not be a problem. Mastodon seems to get away with it, but I dunno if Lemmy can. Also, client-side rendering makes it difficult to avoid breaking the back button, which the UI currently does.
Sheesh. Web development is such a mess.
Why is it a problem to not work without js?
Unifiying the tech stack was a good idea + Fixing the internals
Ugh... Strong NIH vibes. There's already the Liftoff! client for mobile, desktop and web. They should contribute to that instead and ditch jerboa and the web client. Anyway, a web browser is a terrible way to interact with the fediverse since the browser doesn't know about your accounts, so I'd advocate for getting rid of web apps altogether
Anyway, a web browser is a terrible way to interact with the fediverse since the browser doesn’t know about your accounts, so I’d advocate for getting rid of web apps altogether
I'm confused about this - so you're saying that people on their desktop/laptop shouldn't be able to browse Lemmy from their web browser? Having to install an app really only works for the likes of say, Snapchat and Instagram where they're mobile-first platforms which clearly Lemmy is not. Even Discord, who really wants you to use their desktop app allows you to use it via a browser and most of the features are still available (and the ones that aren't are due to browser sandbox limitations, such as PTT and "Krisp" support).
I'm even more confused about "since the browser doesn't know about your accounts", are you saying that its bad that you have to sign into your instance's account when you first start using the site? Because I don't see how that is different from mobile (or even a desktop app) either, I use Liftoff on my phone and its not like it magically signed me into my account even though I had other Lemmy apps already signed in on my phone. I feel like I must be really misinterpreting what you're saying here.
I know that Android does technically have an Accounts Framework that multiple apps can tie into (so that if you have multiple apps from Microsoft for example, signing into one app signs into the others) but I'm pretty sure that only works if all the apps are signed by the same digital key - which makes sense for your general corporation like Microsoft, Google, Apple, etc but not for apps made my multiple independent developers since that would be a massive security issue.
And even if that none of that were an issue, Liftoff is made with Dart/Flutter, which dessalines (the main dev of lemmy-ui and Jerboa) may not have any experience with which could be another potential issue. I've contributed a couple of small fixes for Jerboa, but while I have Kotlin + Android experience, I don't have that much experience with Jetpack Compose (the UI framework Jerboa uses) which means in order for me to make any major contributions to Jerboa I'd need to get caught up on the whole Compose stack first (which when I originally did try to learn it, was an incredibly rapidly moving target like Swift/SwiftUI was in its early days) and I wouldn't be surprised if Flutter was somewhat similar to this.
The issue is really with links specifically , and the concept of web addresses for federated content in general. The web model does not map very well onto federated networks. Concrete example: If I search for something on google and then get a lemmy/kbin result, my browser doesn’t know that I want to view this content through my home instance. The question “I have a Mastodon/Lemmy account, so why can’t I fave/reply/whatever this content?” comes up a lot. The issue here is that people view the content through a web browser, and web browsers don’t understand the fediverse.
It's not like they are programming communism into Lemmy.
The fediverse in general is the literal manifest of the means of production owned by the producers. Every denizen can see just about every post.
You would be hard pressed to not find the socialist ethos at play anywhere on the fediverse, not just Lemmy. And really that's part of what gets hashed out here by broader adoption is just how ground level that gets.
The weird part is that whatever they think of dictators, they would know the model, and that gives me a bizarre amount of trust.
It's still not great. Programming is a form of communication, and the platforms you design will reflect the kinds of messages you want to nurture and propogate. I made terms with it, electing to use lemmy in the fediverse on an instance they don't manage (theirs are lemmy.ml and lammygrad.ml), because kbin wasn't quite prime time ready yet. But if I were going to keep using Lemmy once kbin is more mature, lemmy would need to be developed with a decentralized governance committee or there would need to be a hard fork
I mean they kinda are, they run one of the biggest instances which of course will get a lot of attention because it's run by the developers.
On that instance they censor criticism of china and other such topics.
There was also the weird case of the hardcoded slur filter
The Lemmy developers can do good things and increase net wellbeing while being complete morons. There is nothing in Lemmy's license that says that by using their software you need to support their ideologies.
The Christian teaching of "hate the sin, love the sinner" is the best approach here. Showing support for what the lemmy devs are doing while showing how despicable are their beliefs and stating where are your differences will always work better than trying to boycott their (non-stupid-belief-related) work.
Exactly. I consider myself libertarian and I enjoy hacking on lemmy-related projects. I've contributed to some, and started building others. I think it's a cool project.
I also 100% disagree with the creators ideologically. I think it's really cringy that one of the main devs has a public set of communist/socialist essays, but that doesn't impact me in any way. I'm a huge fan of free and open source software, and I enjoy working on lemmy projects, so I'll continue as long as I find value in it.
Imagine if we did this for large companies owned by billionaires. Why is nobody talking about a board of director (Thiel) from Meta literally being one of the top donors for the republicans, supporting many of those congressional candidates that claimed there was voter fraud going on in 2020.
Perhaps we should flock back to Reddit instead, partly owned by a Chinese company. Who also support Russia and deny human rights violations.
Or why not head over to Twitter owned by the worlds richest man using it as is very own playground, supporting Trump and DeSantis, censoring Turkish dissidents and journalists writing about him in negative light.
What's your point? I understand that you don't sympathize with the devs political position but so what? Either you see some point in lemmy despite this like most people on here who don't agree with them, or you don't and then you should just log off.
I'm not particularly interested in seeing this argument being hashed out anytime lemmy development is mentioned so please stop making this comment on unrelated threads.
Oh no we better stop paying for their software....
Oh wait
This user is already getting ratiod, but for anyone who thinks this is a reasonable comment...
So... Twitter is now owned by a dictator that now claims that 'cis gender' is a slur. Seems like he is barreling towards fascism to me. Facebook is owned by, maybe not a fascist, but someone that allows fascist content on their platform in order to increase revenue. They even admit that it is good for business. The AI researchers at Facebook trying to reduce fascist content were fired because they were actually effective, but would loose the company money. They also own threads, the twitter alternative. The Reddit CEO has used authoritarian methods to undo protesting on the platform. Sounds like it's going in the wrong direction..
Even so, the united states performs human rights violations all the time, inside the US, and outside using the military. You don't see CEOs and politicians denouncing the USA after committing human rights violations, do you? Do you know all of the Chinese politician opinions on the matter?
If you want to avoid all forms of authoritarianism, you could live under a rock. The fact of the matter is that open source and decentralization is the absolute best way to avoid authoritarianism, no matter who writes the code. Fork it if you don't like it.
I'd say most if not all the up votes it's getting are from their own accounts. Imagine having nothing better to do than this.
Ive removed this comment due to being unrelated to the actual topic of the post which is the new lemmy frontend. Reminder to keep talks here about rust rather than politics. Theres a ton of other communities for that and the lemmy dev politics have already been discussed heavily
Whenever I click on the link it prompts me to register on kbin. Is it a closed off instance?
It's not closed off no, try this link instead, it's the same link but in a different format: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/Update-from-Lemmy-after-the-Reddit-blackout-From-the-Lemmy#entry-comment-196579