The only way we lose is if we stand divided.
The only way we lose is if we stand divided.
PS.
I would for vote Kamala. I would vote for a cactus with sunglasses if it had the Democratic nomination. You would do yourself well to consider anything that is weaking the resolve of the anti-trump sentiment straight poison to your brain. We have only one job this novemeber and that is to stop trump. The Supreme Court has given him the status of king. Quit acting like your vote is sacred and start realizing your vote is your final cry before your rights are forfeited.
I am an unapologetic leftist, and, like most other leftists, I do not believe that engaging in the liberal democratic process will, or even can, bring about my ideal society. However, while I don't think voting is likely to make things meaningfully better, I do think it can prevent things from getting meaningfully worse. Maybe fascism can't be defeated with votes, but I can't see how anything is lost by trying. I mean, why make it easier on the fascists? I'm sure the fascists won't just give up because they lost an election, but that's not a reason to hold the door open for them. Again, I don't think voting for Biden (or whoever the Democratic candidate ends up being) is going to make things much better, but I do think not voting for him could make things much worse. So, we (leftists) should all vote for the Democrats this November. Not because it's going to get us nearer to our ideal, or our ultimate goals, but because it might help prevent the US from being taken over by fascists.
I always like to point out that the people on the far right are always going to vote, and they are always going to vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. Even if you feel like there aren't any "good candidates" you should still vote because even getting a less than ideal president is better than just doing nothing and letting Trump become a dictator for life
It's not just having elections. It's having enough breathing room to enact fundamental change at all. We need to unionize every workplace, and start insisting that politicians of any party work for us. The path forward will be hard enough under Biden, but basically impossible under Trump. Voting is not sufficient by itself.
I'll do my duty and vote for Biden, but we're going to lose with Biden.
- 37% approval-rating matching Jimmy Carter; no candidate in history won with those numbers.
- Biden has the most catastrophic debate performance in history, proving long-held fears by 75% of the electorate that Biden is too old 3 an immutable, worsening attribute.
- Biden was already hemorrhaging black and hispanic voters.
- Biden was already losing youth vote in part due to his position on Israel.
- Trump's polls hardly budge after a full-blown criminal conviction.
- Trump seizes the narrative for the first time positively with a VP pick and TIME-cover magazine shots of him pumping his fist, defiant with a flag in the background as he's covered in blood from an assassination attempt.
- Trump campaign has barely spent a nickle of their war chest money while Biden has been dumping their cash just to stay afloat in the polls as damage-control post-debate.
- Biden campaign team has ZERO strategy to change the trajectory of his terrible polls, including the 6 battleground states, all of which he trails in.
Ultimately it's not me you have to convince; it's the low-info battleground state swing-voter who now is either not voting or leaning Trump once again.
I will continue to advocate for Biden to step down until post-Convention; after that, well, I'll probably bet money against his victory. That way, at least it's win-win for me.
Biden does one thing wrong. And that is Gaza. There is a shit ton he has done right:
Supreme Court reform
Student loan debt relief
Healthcare reform
Renewable energy act
Banking reform
Agriculture subsidies to be ecological
Helping local farms
Weed restriction reclassification
Tech privacy restrictions
Making medicare more accessible
Veteran affairs
And quite a few more. Give credit where credit is due. He's worked hard for us.
The person who wants Biden to be the nominee the most is Trump. Notice he's gone completely quiet on him, not blasting him for his age like some democrats are, because he knows he can win against an 81yo Biden. As soon as he's confirmed as the nominee, Team Trump will turn around and try to make him look as old as dirt
Here's the thing. Many of us on here agree with you, but there are many Americans who are not terminally online or politically charged as we are. Getting them to vote for an old man who is often incoherent will be difficult. We need a candidate who can get those people to actually vote, and I am not sure Biden is that guy in his current form. At the end of the day, I don't care if it's Biden or Harris or someone else, I just want to ensure that we put the best chance to win forward, and I am not convinced Biden is that person.
The real question we should be asking is, how do we motivate as many voters as possible, shit posting to people who have seen posts like this 700 times this week doesn't do that.
I agree. So we should all rally around a candidate who actually has a chance to beat Trump rather than blindly following some guy who's comfortable handing over the White House as long as he, "tried his best."
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HER EMAILSBIDEN OLD!It's not about that. It's about sleep walking into fascism. Before the debate it was metaphorical. If you keep voting for the lesser evil you still get evil. It just takes longer.
Now we're being asked to vote for someone who clearly cannot handle the duties of the office and is nothing more than a figurehead. Rubber stamping this does not protect democracy. It proves they can manufacture consent to put whoever they want in that office and you guys will keep pulling that lever thinking, "it could be worse".
Just mark whoever has (D) on your ballot in November and stop paying attention to the presidential race. Your votes for your representatives and senators are FAR more impactful, and a United Democratic Congress is far more capable of stopping fascism than a Republican one
I am curious who this is directed at. I think most people on Lemmy (excepting the Tankie minority who I mostly avoid) agree that voting democrats is the best political strategy in this election.
However, there is a separate and more contentious question of who the person we’ll be voting for should be. I don’t think the answer to this is obvious at all and it’s very strange to me that some people react with so much hostility to asking that question.
If this is about the first topic, I don’t see the need for it, and if it’s about the second, then it needs to be clearer and better articulated to sway anyone or spark useful discussion.
I'm sorry, but this really isn't true. Almost everyone here, leftist or liberal, is going to vote, and the vast majority of them are going to vote for Biden. There will be some protest votes, especially in safe states, but if you care enough to post on a left-leaning political group, you care enough to try to block Trump.
The people that will cost Biden the election are the people who don't argue online. They support the Democrats (or at least oppose the Republicans), but they don't always vote. They probably live in a state without mail-in voting, they probably live paycheck to paycheck, and they really just don't have a lot of spare time. They'll go to the polls if they think it's really important or they're very enthusiastic about the candidate, but if not, they'd rather rest or get a load of laundry done before work tomorrow, because it's not that important anyway. The Democrats need to find a way to get those people out if they want to win.
While I will vote Biden/Kamela I gotta make a slight correction or addition. Our vote is voiceless. We don't vote for president, the electoral college does. Between us and the electors there is a sea of shit that allows the final outcome to not represent what we want.
I want 1vote=1vote. Ladies and gentlemen, we have the technology.
I want to be able to vote for longer than 1 day. I want if possible a constant...1vote that I can take back and switch at will.
We could unite over democracy right?
We should help work towards passing electoral reform in each of our states. Then you can put all those people upset with the democrats into the game. Let them to participate in the electoral process.
More people voting means more democratic votes. Don't you want more votes for the democratic party?
I think we should do what that California town did Seth they're mayoral elections... Let's elect a dog. If we can't do that, then I'll just vote for anyone who isn't Trump.
Do people not know that other elections besides president are going on? Republicans barely won the house in an midterm, no way they win it this time around. Also, no way Republicans get 60 senate seats. Supreme Court is going to SCOTUS regardless of the president, we just won't get to start fixing it for a while.
The only thing I worry about is Ukraine- but 6 more months of American help to shore up some good defensive lines and decrease Russian capacity and they could do without us for the next 2-4 years.
If you don't like Biden, just focus on your local and state races. If we win the house and senate but loose the whitehouse, maybe DNC will learn to push for exciting POTUS candidates (or to push for the interstate compact)
I would vote to shit my pants every day for the next four years before not voting against TFG.
Sad to say but if we vote Biden we'll stave off civil war for another 4 years but nothing will get done because Republicans will block everything as they've done.
If trump gets elected a lot of plan 2025 bullshit will be implemented, Republicans will setup a outright theocracy based on religion and put our laws back to the 1800's until the regular people (us) will protest and whine but we'll be the kindling that the right will use to ignite widespread instability furthering their reasoning to further put laws against the people.
This additude is how we end up with a Weekend at Bernie's presidential candidate. Just like activism within national politics is essential to our country's vitality and growth, activism within party politics is essential for the party to stay relevant and effective. Just as our country will be lost to corporatocracy, oligarchy, and bigotry if no one fights for democracy, justice, and equality, our party will succumb to corporate donors, consultants, and myopic geriatrics if we sit on the sidelines.
Dems have a serious old people problem. We are the party of Dianne Feinstein, who clung to her senate seat until death despite being literally senile. We are the party of Ruth Bader Ginsberg. Hillary Clinton is another symptom of the same disease. She used the power she accumulated within the party over decades to foist herself on a reluctant party base by calling in favors and pulling strings that only someone who has grown old floating in the stratosphere of national politics can.
This country needs a revolution, and it needs to start within the Democratic Party.
There are a lot of hypothetical conversations in this thread about fascism and "November" but for me this election is about something actually happening right now. People are being exterminated by US weapons in Gaza. I will not be voting for an administration that sanctions genocide. There has to be a political price for this kind of behavior.
I can't acknowledge voting for the Democratic party as "the lesser of two evils." To me it looks like Americans are afraid of losing their country, while the rest of the world has been running for cover from American weapons for over a century. The era of American exceptionalism and impunity is over. It's time to rejoin the rest of the world. "Fascism or genocide" is not going to cut it.
This is soooooo fucking stupid. The voters who you need to turn out in Wisconsin don't already agree with you. Yelling at socialists who live in NY and California on Lemmy isn't going to change the vote of an Obama-Trump-Biden-Trump voter in a swing state, who probably has VERY weird politics and 100% is not going to be yelled at into voting for Biden. Sorry. You have no power to change this outcome, nor do the socialists you Blue MAGAs spend all day downvoting. It's over. You lost when you let them put Biden in despite being 300 years old 4 years ago.