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the claim is that by not consuming factory farmed meat, you make an impact on the amount of emissions from its production. this is not true. it is also not analogous to raping anyone.
You honestly think that factory farm emissions font change if people don't give them money for their product? If your head was any further down in the sand, the magma would melt it.
Analogies don't indicate a similar level of morality. They are used to explain points to people who, for some reason, are unwilling or unable to otherwise understand.
Analogies don’t indicate a similar level of morality.
i didnt suggest they did. i'm saying that buying food is disanalagous to rape.
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to be clear, rape is wrong. buying food is not. you don't not-rape in order to reduce rape. you don't-rape because rape is wrong. by contrast, the goal of not-buying meat is to reduce the environmental impact of the meat industry. if that doesn't work, then not-buying meat is not a moral duty (at least, not for that reason. it's possible there is some other reason, but that's not the topic being discussed).
What if you buy food from someone you know murdered children to get it? It's so obviously wrong that buying food is never an immoral act. If you are interested in having philosophical conversations, then you really need to go back to the basics. At this point, you're trying to join an archery competition with a nurf toy. There are undeniably immoral ways to get food. Destroying the planet and torturing animals for slightly cheaper food that you do not absolutely need to survive is absolutely immoral. The reason it is so hard for you to see this is because you are an addict making excuses. Not because you are starving and need the cheapest, most despicable food.
That's progress! You're on a good track. Not sure if you're the same one I sent this link to or not, but if you want to see the living conditions of the animals in the meat system are, here you go. You can judge the morality of it on your own.
Because if not, then you are putting your own mere 20 minutes of pleasure higher than entire lives of tight, confined, indoor, away from their children and parents, raped, drugged, mutilated while alive of animals. There is no chance that if an animal was living like this on your property such that you had to see it daily, you wouldn't save it. As it is, nearly everyone happily hires billionaires to do it for them. Most of the time they hide behind "but I neeeeeed foooood!!!". I've not given those scumbags a penny in many years, and I'm alive, I'm not rich, and I am absolutely well nourished. I've recently done multiple marathons.
The factory farming industry has very significant ecological impacts. In addition to the extreme suffering and misery that it causes to sentient beings. It's really a lose-lose.
it seems like muddying the waters. why is it so hard to focus on the effectiveness of consumer action in reducing ecological impacts? that is the topic
You pay someone to do something for you. Whether this is hiring or paying someone for a service is just semantics. There is an obvious reason why this sort of petty rebuttal is all you are able to use as a response.
The fact that you habitually pay people to do that animals is what causes them to do this to future animals. You understand this. It tells something that your best defense is this to excuse your actions.
people have free will, and so their choices cannot be said to be caused by anything other than their will. I am not responsible for what people in the meat industry do.
Guess again. Almost certainly, you are contributing a significant portion of your energy and money to billionaires who torture animals in ways that you would be unable to even watch.
I've been wrong plenty before, but I would be astonished if you are capable of even viewing the atrocities that you commit. That's how disgusting the things people hire billionaires to do in the name of cheap meat it.
Yeah. It does suck to see what the average person chooses to spend their life paying people to do to animals. It especially sucks if you are one of the people paying them to do it.
It absolutely does. You would be able to see it if the addiction in question was cheap animal products. Your brain is clouded by the fact that since food is required to live, then no food can be an addiction. You're simply wrong. You and many people can be addicted to cheap, unhealthy food that harms the planet. As a result of it, you excise your own deplorable behavior.
It doesn't take any specialty to see this. That's how obvious it is. When someone is deluding themselves to this extent, it is easy to see from the outside. Spend some time with someone who is addicted to things that you are not, and you will see.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes causes them to make less e missions. Unfortunately there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
So you think that factory farms that sell 1 ton of meat make the exact same emission as factory farms that sell 1,000 tons of meat? You are simply wrong, selling more meat allows them to grow, bigger farms make more emissions. You must really love your .99 cent hot dogs to be defending them so must with such a lack of logic.
I know there is no changing your mind, your a crackhead defending beating up children to sell their tennis shoes, but in any other case where we are not talking about your personal addiction this would all be pai fully obvious to you. I guess one nice side of this is that your chemically altered animal food addiction is destroying your bodily, and you won't be around as long to keep forcing your selfishness on us. I just hope that your papa bear animal hellhole billionaire role models go away before you die of the diseases they are selling you.
If you don't give bezos money every month, then he has less money than if you did give him money every month. This doesn't mean that you not giving him money makes him poorer, but he has less money than he would have if you had given him money. This isn't tough to understand, I know I grasp it.
If you don’t give bezos money every month, then he has less money than if you did give him money every month
in one hypothetical versus another, sure. but in the real worlds, we can't prove a counterfactual. you can't prove whether, if I had given him money, if he'd have ended up poorer anyway.
Yes, I have. The millions of us who choose not to help those assholes cause them to make less emissions. Unfortunately, there are still people like you who live without caring about anyone but their own immediate gratification.
I don't know why I keep arguing with a troll, but maybe someone else will read this:
"I alone can't change anything" is a premature excuse to shift responsibility to others. But you are responsible for your life and your actions. Be a good role model because you can.
Our survival as a species is at stake in the medium term, our coexistence and our democracy are threatened. There is no CO2 budget left, we need to globally stop emissions immediately. Every ton counts, every decimal point, because at 2.6 degrees humanity does not cease to exist, it just suffers even more than at 2.59 degrees.
There are big destroyers, we all know them by now. At the same time, even if these corporations disappeared immediately, we would still exceed the 1.5 degree target just through our reckless diet. Why do you push this responsibility away?
We need to change on all levels and as you most likely won't blow up a pipeline, you can start with your diet right now:
Next time you're shopping for groceries, save 2/3 of the land area, water consumption and CO2 emissions by buying a different product. Instead, you argue because you simply want to keep eating cheese sandwiches. Sounds so cynical and pathetic to me.
water and land aren't going anywhere. and all of agriculture is only about 20% of our emissions, and since we need to eat, we should be looking at other methods of saving the environment.