other instances: why do you hate us?

Last week I was at the movies by myself to see Barbie and a big group of Hexbear users sat behind me and in the middle of the movie I opened up a can of beans to eat and one of the hexbear users yelled 'Hey everybody, this nerd is eating beans!' and the whole theater laughed at me. Thats why i will always hate you.
- lies, hexbear users would never besmirch someone for eating beans
  
  It was actually a can of cow milk.
  
  Tell that to Bean dad
- You silly Hexbear, that's the fakest story I've ever heard in my life.
  Why would somebody bother making a movie about a plastic doll for little girls?

I hate you for starting federation shortly after I made a second account specifically for hexbear
- Exact opposite of me, I was on Hexbear for a while and had just made a Lemmy account before Hexbear federated; now I'm not sure which one to keep (keeping both for now).

- the in-jokes become less obscurant with a little exposure. the rabbit hole goes shockingly deep.
- This is the most correct answer.
- Want to talk about outdoor cats?

I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand. I haven’t bothered to look it up, but like what is chapotraphouse? I think it was a podcast, then a subreddit, but what does it mean?
I don’t hate you tho, just saying.
- Chapo Trap House is a leftish comedy podcast with three (later four, then five, now back to three) hosts that knew each other from twitter. It mostly commented on happenings in politics with regular segments going over the latest right wing bullshit, and was one of few places that would criticize the democrats as well. The /r/chapotraphouse subreddit was nominally for discussion of the podcast but it quickly outgrew that and became a general-purpose left-wing subreddit with a focus on irreverent shitposting and hostility towards outsiders. Fast-forward a bit and the podcast hosts remark that they don't like the subreddit anymore because people were criticizing them for various things, but nonetheless the subreddit continued to grow. A long-running joke that the "official podcast of the subreddit" was actually an entirely different podcast called Citations Needed began.
  /r/cth was getting too big for the admins at reddit (one of whom thinks he'll own slaves in the post-apocalypse to give you an idea of their politics) and was banned for ill-defined reasons of "promoting hate" against slave owners (perhaps the reddit admin was insulted by this). In the aftermath of the banning, some people got together on a discord channel and a variety of volunteers got to work creating the website chapo.chat using lemmy. A couple months(?) later, chapo.chat was complete, though it forked from lemmy relatively early on and would be unable to federate for some time. A variety of comms were made, including /c/chapotraphouse, which then was ostensibly for discussion of both Chapo Trap House and Citations Needed, though this wasn't enforced or anything.
  After some time, the admins decided to change the site name from chapo.chat to hexbear.net, because they no longer wished to associate with the podcast. In a completely failed attempt to encourage the growth of other communites on the site, the default "Main" comm was closed. Rather than this leading to the increased use of other comms that the admins were hoping for, /c/chapotraphouse became the new default comm. And finally, after much work from the dev team, hexbear.net reverted back to lemmy and was able to federate.
  In summary: Chapo Trap House is a podcast.
  
  one of whom thinks he'll own slaves in the post-apocalypse to give you an idea of their politics
  If I'm not mistaken this same admin used to be a mod for the infamous jailbait sub too
  
  In a completely failed attempt to encourage the growth of other communites on the site
  This is revisionism
- CTH is a podcast, the subreddit was originally about it but quickly became its own thing. The podcast is your typical Brooklyn leftist hot couch thing where you get a bit of theory mixed in with a lot of jokes and parasocial relationships.
  A long running joke is that the subreddit/Hexbear is actually a Citations Needed fanclub, because it's a much a better podcast.
  
  Bout to become a blowback fanclub up in here
- I wonder if it’s because you have an in-culture that they don’t understand.
  Definitely partially true. Some people have read posts here and made posts elsewhere saying things like "they're right wingers pretending to be leftist" because they can't understand satire and irony without having it spelled out to them and they're automatically trying to assume the worst instead of realising that the entire instance is irony poisoned.
  
  the redditors whose most common reply on reddit was "/s?!?!" all moved to the lemmyverse
- I would just like to be an anecdotal nuisance and say that I found this community without knowing or interacting with the chapotraphouse podcast or subreddit
  
  same
  
  :0 How'd you find it then?

Because the rest of us don't get your fancy pronoun picker.
- You're correct to be jealous of us. Although, I think we managed to port that feature upstream to the main Lemmy thingy as an optional feature? Check with your instance administrator!

They hate us for our freedom

You have a games community but zero mentions of either Excite Truck or Excitebots: Trick Racing
- Pretty damning TBH
- excitebots was the SHIT
  that's at the top of my wishlist for switch remasters
- Your comment lead me to learn about the many sequels to the smash hit NES game Excitebike. I feel that I should have been informed of those titles prior to now, but the Hexbear games community has let us all down.
- Hexbear gamers, explain yourself!
  
  I post about posting and game when I am gaming and never let the two mix. If I cant game about posting why would I post about gaming? Doesn't seem fair does it?

I support most of what is said here, but users from here tend to be very aggressive and combative. Everything is politics and pretending otherwise is very lib, so I can both understand why you do it and why people find it annoying.
- We are aggressive and combative against racism, ableism, transaphobia or when someone is attacking one of us or our community...that is what gives us the moral high ground.
  Those are literally the only things we have got remotely aggressive with on the fediverse so far.
  
  and homophobia, and capitalism, and sexism and imperialism and colonialism and bazinga brain, most importantly bazinga brain
- In the early days, this sub was constantly brigaded by chuds, terfs, libs, patsocs, wreckers and branches of leftism that were somehow even more online than us and had an irrational hatred of us for reasons that frankly I never cared enough to bother learning. Like any such place, that means we're used to people coming in "just asking questions" with a bad take, and turning out to be a concern troll rather than someone asking in good faith and open to changing their mind.
  This produced a culture of radical, frank struggle sessions, an approach to moderation that the Cheka circa 1919 would think lacks due process (and is good and cool and has made this place possibly the most LGBT friendly place on the net.), and a bad habit of dunking for a laugh. We're not nearly as edgy as a first impression might give, though.
- We're hyper aggressive when it comes to certain things like hate.
  This is then used by racists and bigots to claim we're aggressive all the time. And because they say it ALL THE TIME it begins to be believed by people, even if that's literally the only context in which they've seen our people get that hostile.

It's because we're loud, incredibly active, argumentative, and most importantly we are generally speaking unified. Yes there are differences, but compare the pushback when a hexbear posts something pro-china vs when someone else posts something anti-china. We'll get maybe 2-3 responses, all of which will immediately get dogpiled anyway. They'll get 10 of us. We also all upvote the takes we all agree on, so much so that it looks like vote manipulation. No other group on the fediverse has that type of unity, even if they broadly agree with each other.
Also the giant emojis probably don't help lol.
- Democratic centralism is when I upvote every Hexbear post no matter how much I think the post is cringe.
- to all our brave posters
  
  Just before federation, when people were claiming that hexbears were a bunch of unrestrained feral super-posters and that we were going to change the fediverse, I thought that a lot of it was just people hyping themselves up. Only now do I realize that we are in fact the strongest posters on the fediverse because of our solidarity with each other.
  indeed
- TL;DR first because I got rant-y
  Hexbear and Lemmygrad formed to be leftist first and individual interests second. So your take is spot-on. I also think that they get mad that Hexbear doesn't have the option to downvote. So they don't get the satisfaction of the power trip and makes them even more pissed off. lol
  The funny thing about people thinking we are assholes is that between here, lemmy.ml, and lemmygrad.ml I have found this instance to be the most chill. I find myself more concerned about getting attacked on lemmy.ml for even trying to say something that is not in-line with the western media narrative. I am a bit worried about getting jumped on for misunderstanding or having a bad take on lemmygrad. However I have begun to be better at thinking about how I say/ask things when replying to posts. Which I think is overall a good thing and have better accepted that even if I may disagree with folks, that it is better to learn more about those things over all.
  For all the shit that I am learning and seeing that gets said about here and lemmygrad. Those folks on lemmy.ml and the other instances are just beyond quick to just outright refuse to take a moment to consider that they are not questioning shit at all. Just super binary "good or evil." Even if they agree that their "side" has historically both lied and done super fucked up shit. It is still unwavering "still much better than insert whatever shit they think anti-capitalism has done to so many people." They completely misunderstand that us "tankies" are just dumb motherfuckers brainwashed into thinking that AES nations never did anything wrong. It also doesn't help that even "progressive" liberals are so firmly conserned about being super slightly left of dead centre. To go around talking shit about how the hammer and sickle should be treated the same as the Nazi swastika. Still believing that the US is the reason we won the war. Nor do they realize how the Cold War was completely kicked off by the western allies renegging on promises made to the USSR for helping recoup. That the massive build-up of nukes was due to our own war hawks lying about the supposed rapid build-up of anything from the Soviets. Cuba and USSR are always the "war mongers" for putting nukes on Cuba, but the US's shit in Europe/Turkiey.
- 😔
- The giant emotes (which generates a lot of animosity when combined with the dubiously low PPB-trigger-threshold of some of our posters when on other instances) are solvable issue. If the devs were so inclined, they could just run imagemagick over them automatically to make downsized copies.
  I'm not necessarily saying they should, I'm just saying they could.
  
  They could also do the opposite, and make them bigger
  just saying
- and most importantly we are generally speaking unified.
  It's been a while since I did a sectarianism. I have a good reason to later today though
- The emojis issue won't be forever though

you have emojis i can't use >:(

I hate you TANKIES because you MAKE ME READ!!!
Edit: oh shit I forgot to switch accounts

Tell me so that I can double down on those specific behaviors.
- Being mean to bigots
  Being uncivil
  Being correct
  Being smart, hot and sexy
- this but unironically. I want to be as hostile and unwelcoming to libs as possible
  Death to America
  
  At first i was neutral on federation, then I was kind of opposed to it because of all the liberals, now that I've seen how angry the liberals get I'm extremely pro-federation.

They are jealous of our raw posting power. They wish they could be as cool and constantly correct as us.

they hate us for our freedom :no-oil:

I find the memes funny but the image abuse is obnoxious. I'm not a big fan of defederation so I always end up defending you guys but seriously, wtf?

I don't hate you, this defederation thing is something I don't like. It creates echo chambers. Reddit was an echo chamber, too. But it was one everyone creates for themselves, subscribe: privacy, linux and selfhost and your chamber of anti-GAFAM is ready to rock (for example).
Seeing Hexbear and other stuff in "All" helps to escape your own bubble and creates more divergent discussion.
- I agree with your last statement 100%
  I am generally against defederation and censorship.
  In response to the OP of this topic though, people hate hexbears because of the constant hardcore brigading and the huge inline image abuse.
  It's annoying as fuck. As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong, it just turns into a massive dogpile on anyone who doesn't share your identical belief structure.
  That isn't debate, it's bullying. You have the numbers to pull it off but if it carries on you will absolutely end up defederated from everywhere.
  
  brigading
  Brigading is a made-up reddit thing. It used to be normal for forums to "raid" other forums, and if you couldn't deal with that, it was on you. However we are not "raiding" there is no organised movement to go somewhere and post on it. We see the same posts pop up in "all", and we have a large and active userbase, that's all that's happening.
  huge inline image abuse
  Yeah, that bug is getting worked on.
  As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong, it just turns into a massive dogpile on anyone who doesn't share your identical belief structure
  Yeah that's the story, but it's not really what I've been observing. Plenty of people that disagree with the hexbear userbase have had nice discussions. Generally I see users from other instances post condescending "gotchas" which then, rightly, get dogpiled on. They then cry "foul" as if they didn't themselves initiate the interaction on those terms. Either that or they will be met by a user willing to engage in good-faith discussion, but they instead choose to continue with condescention. I see a lot of "I'm not reading all that" and "lmao you really believe that?" in response to well-thought out responses, not to mention the many accusations of being a bot. These users are then treated as condescending dickheads, because hexbear has had a lot of issues with wreckers, so there's a pretty low tolerance for that kinda stuff. Hexbear generally has a hostile culture to bad-faith debatebro tactics.
  Disagreements are common, so it's not really that. It's just a question of wether they're engaging in good faith or not. I see plenty of users post about stuff that's well outside the general culture, that then have a nice discussion.
  Regarding being "wrong about lib" I'm gonna disagree again. I think you have a different definition of what that is. Oftentimes we think of ourselves as being "leftists" or whatever, but by our words and actions we support the current (neo-liberal) system. Then it does not matter what we identify as, if we're still furthering something else. If you're interested in that kinda stuff you might want to read Combat Liberalism. It's pretty short, so it's a nice and quick primer.
  
  As soon as you smell a "lib", even though you are usually wrong
  We're actually 100% correct, just fyi. A lot of people don't know that about us

I'm pretty sure everyone at lemm.ee is cool with y'all. I'm still not super sure why other instances want to defederate with you tbh lol
- Well I am not cool with y'all. How you treat people whose opinions you don't agree with can definitely be improved.
  
  Lmao we treat people with differing opinions completely fine. Hexbear isn't a monolith.
  We just dont tolerate debatebros. I have yet to see someone engaging in good-faith discussion being mistreated.
  Smug gotchas, refusing to engage in the arguments you're presented with, choosing condescention and the like gets you rightly treated like a condescending dickbag. Civil discussion is a two-way street.

Because they just want to meme about China Bad and Russian Bots all day long
- hey sometimes they switch it up a bit with russia bad and chinese bots

You guys don't like my movies... 😭
- Margo, how come you can only do a Long Island accent whenever you play an American
  
  ...I thought my Southern accent was pretty, pretty good in Dreamland.
  Also, is my name really that hard to spell? It's "Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie".

I don't hate y'all, but some of the posts here can be indigestable. Some posts simply assume everyone is on the same page with something - which is likely true, since you've been a community for a long time.
Maybe I'll come back and edit this with an example at some point.
- You're witnessing us after we've gone through countless internal debates and purges, some of which will always be legendary. We had a problem with transphobes at the start, they're all gone. We had a really bizarre fight for about a week over whether or not cats should be allowed outside.
  My favorite of ours was the weirdly intense debate over if it's ok to stack rocks next to or inside of a river.
  There was also BMF, one of the strangest people to ever live. My personal favorite was @LiberalSocialist@hexbear.net, who was the most contradictory poster we had. You'd think LiberalSocialist was an elaborate Andy Kaufman level bit of someone pretending to be an annoying liberal, but I think it's always been unclear whether it was a gimmick or not.