They're not actually going to run Sundown Joe now right? Like, they can't actually believe he'll have a chance.
They're not actually going to run Sundown Joe now right? Like, they can't actually believe he'll have a chance.
He's guaranteed to lose now. I can't see a universe where the mental gymnastics add up to deciding that this is a good idea. Don't get me wrong, it'd be funny as hell. But I'm really not looking forward to the idea of more Trump.
The whole "family members as advisors" thing is really making me want to watch the biden admin arrested development spinoff
"Hunter convicted? Thank God he isn't on the ballot, I'd never vote for him!"
I love it when a snarky neolib gets put in their place lol.
I love it when a snarky neolib gets put in their place lol.
If only they were capable of learning from it
fed the democracy the doodoo
This is what I was holding to for a long time but then watching them all panic this week made me question it
Like, I thought you all knew! I thought you knew he was a vegetable and was going to lose and were just fine with that because you want to lose. But if that was the plan why freak out now?
Iron law of institutions. Joe Biden is merely a vehicle to power. Retiring Biden sidelines all the leeches and lampreys which have become attached to his gooch throughout his 60 year career in law and politics. All those people hold power today, and will not loosen their grasp one bit for the potental of having a more stable grasp on power tomorrow. Especially if their nepotism and personal connections don't promise a cushy high salary do-nothing job under a new administration.
Joe Biden is merely a vehicle to power. Retiring Biden sidelines all the leeches and lampreys which have become attached to his gooch throughout his 60 year career in law and politics.
Absolutely.
It's worth pointing out that his junior advisors have only been on board since pre-9/11. His most senior advisors were around for segregation, and thought Apartheid South Africa was cool and good.
This is partly why I suspect that this might be a generational factionalism in the Democratic machinery.
The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn
In a way, it feels like it mirrors some of the divisions within the capital class itself. There's the bullish types who basically seem to accept that growth and the climate are fucked, and are now trying to rip the copper wiring out of the walls of the global economy while they can since they likely won't be around when it tips into collapse. And then there's the equally self-interested 'activist' capital class looking to keep the game going with green tech and new models for economic extraction etc because they want their gilded age too but know the old models won't last long enought for them to get theirs.
The old(est) guard and the functionally apolitical consultant/finance lanyards who honestly do just as well or better when the dems aren't in power. With the young(er) generation and B-tier of operatives now realising that the damage being done, to the party and the recent supreme court decision etc, might be too much to simply wait for their turn
This is part of why I think there's a huge liberal panic about how Trump being president again will destroy all of democracy or whatever. Because part of the Project 2025 stuff involves firing vast leagues of lanyard dorks and replacing them with hogs. Who knows if that would actually happen, but that's mostly afraid of losing their jobs.
Oh they're running him. They're running him and guilting you by claiming that anyone who doesn't vote for him is a fascist.
It seems like the only people who can get access to him are a clique of his immediate family and long time advisors. There doesn't seem to be an actual political party in the conventional sense. We're dealing with weird dynastic politics and power cliques.
So, it sounds like it's not so much "they", the dnc, are going to run him again, as that Jill and Hunter are going to run him again, and the rest of us can hang if it means Hunter gets some pardons or whatever it is they believe they're doing.
It's all fucked, there's nothing resembling a democratic process or even an organization behind this.
There doesn't seem to be an actual political party in the conventional sense.
This seems like it has larger ramifications
we can't worry about that right now, maybe when there's not a freakin Cheeto who's going to destroy all of democracy! Then we can maybe talk about the late Holy Roman Empire dynasty holding onto power (but if you try and talk about it we'll scold you as a Russian shill)I've been chewing on it for a while now. I don't think the Democrats are a political party. The GOP is. As much as they're weird mutants, they do have rigid party discipline, clear goals, and long-term strategies that have been extremely effective in realizing those goals. The fabled "Demographic shift" that was supposed to save the Democrats seems like fantasy now; The GOP has seized control of critical organs of government, entrenched itself to protect against electoral upsets, and can more or less rule by fiat via the SCOTUS.
Meanwhile the democrats have none of that. They're a squabbling band of also-rans who couldn't hack it in the GOP, lead by the coldest, most bloodless monsters on the planet. I think most Democrats are losers who had the narcissistic self-aggrandizement to be politicians, but lacked the courage or gumption to try to make it in the nazi-breeding alchemical furnace of the GOP. The Democrats are where these losers end up, pursuing safer, less taxing madness in the Democratic party. There are a few genuine moralists in there, too, who are misguided or fanatical enough to believe in the propaganda version of liberalism.
But as we can observe - There's little meaningful difference between the parties. The GOP are just democrats who are honest about what America is and proud of it, while the Democrats lie to the public and possibly to themselves about their goals and desires.
And when you've got a "party" of cowards who can't admit to themselves what they really are, and feel the need to make a superficial play of resistance to the GOP, you don't have much to align on. So most of them are craven opportunists, you end up with New York and California where all the scum who would be GOP are Dems because that's how they can access wealth and power. Their leadership are all Nazi liches of untold decrepitude and malice, so the Dems who actually believe in anything have no chance of pushing their agendas through. They're all absolute slaves to capital. The party is just so shot through with contradictions that it can't possibly advance any cohesive plan or enforce party discipline. They couldn't even deal with Joe Manchin, whether he was the designated Judas Goat or not.
You can see it in the leadership - Obama wouldn't codify Roe, Hilldawg ran with an anti-abortion VP, Pelosi stated there was room in the Dems for anti-abortion freaks, and Biden has been opposed to abortion his whole career and let Roe die without even token resistance. Meanwhile Abortion has been their most unifying propaganda asset for decades. It's all a sham.
So you've got a couple of cliques of warlords - Obama, the Clintons, Pelosi, the Bidens, and whoever else isn't too senile to function, trying to keep a lid on things while their minions jockey for access and power. Then you've got the vast swamp of absolute losers who think Sieg Heiling is tacky. And mixed in there are a couple of dorks who actually believe in something that isn't just pure, nihilistic evil, even if they are still capitalists.
When are we going to decide on a Gang of Four style name for it, or are we just gonna call it the Biden Clique
Super Biden Bros
They're not actually going to run Crooked Hillary now right? Like, they can't actually believe she'll have a chance.
I personally believe they absolutely will
Oh god I hope so. That would be so fuckin funny.
It's the most beneficial for the DNC. They raise more money under Trump as a "resistance party" without appearing like they are intentionally tanking their chances. If they win, they can continue to generally do nothing and let the bourgeoisie have their way, if they lose, they can fundraise better than before and run a "better" candidate next time, ie an Obama-type.
Putting someone new as the frontrunner introduces too many variables for the DNC. They should do it, but they likely won't.
The GOP is the “natural governing party” of the US, and dems are married to the idea of being perpetual underdogs.
Even from a liberal electoralist standpoint, this is bizarre. The Conservatives under Pierre Pollievre is set to win in Canada, but you know damn well that they aren’t going to act like the Liberal Party is an all powerful force, even though they have a parliamentary system and a strong enough opposition can block some stuff.
All indications are currently that Joe is the guy (closest advisors seemingly being his family- Jill is the most important and she seems especially delusional) Obama and Bill Clinton's public support for him).
I think we're in a two week period where he could be replaced but it only happens if swing state polling being done looks worse than terrible (aka losing outside of the margin of error in at least 3 of 5 swing states or any 2 of the Midwest). The only way this happens is through an organized donor revolt.
My guess is he's the nominee unless he dies which I think is also a very real possibility. Funniest timeline is he somehow weathers a donor revolt and then the October surprise is "Joe Biden dies from covid."
I've been around too many old folks dying to have confidence that he'll drop dead - people are resilient. Some rando schmuck getting pumped full of amphetamines like him would, but he's got the best healthcare in the world. At least it seems like the donors were already revolting half way through the debate...
He'll go out give the best debate of his lib life, everyone will be restored in his ability to win the election, and then whoops that cocktail of drugs just made his heart explode and he's dead. The DNC will likely resort to necromancy and have a mumbling zombie as the president before they try a different candidate though.
"Joe Biden dies from covid."
Always Sunny theme music plays
My guess is he's the nominee unless he dies
That can be arranged.
That can be arranged.
Undoubtedly they have their operatives that could do this, but why run the risk if nature is doing its thing?
Did you hear the news? The president has the authority to arrest Hillary Clinton!
Man's got a whole medieval fiction epithet at this point. "Genocide Joe, the Sundowner".
This name is next to a boss health bar that’s mostly empty at the start of the encounter
A giant health bar that starts out empty is hilarious
https://youtu.be/eIpJmdxnP1E?t=106 starts playing but it's the recorder cover
from supporting sundown towns to sundowning
Sundowner was a war criminal villain in Metal Gear Rising
Mr. "Just like the good ol' days after 9/11" 😂
Jill Biden's in the most recent edition of Vogue talking about how much she likes the trappings of power, such as motorcades: https://x.com/pashedmotatos/status/1807768639824695362
the dems are cooked, the lich king and his queen aren't stepping down from the sickest rank and power they've ever experienced, the VP was dogshit in comparison and they're gonna do whatever they can to ride the motorcade into the sunset
Is Jill Biden actually saying that because I can't be bothered to read this entire article, but the author is the one writing about motorcades in the opening paragraph. It's not a quote or anything
Edit: that twitter account seems incredibly right wing and probably is trying to make that article seem worse than it is. I understand the desire to dislike Biden, but this seems like misinformation
She never said that in the article tho.
That's an incredibly weird framing device, but that's the writer speaking, not Jill Biden.
they don't care. they can see it coming and anyone with the power to force him to step down is okay with that.
It makes me think of Macron calling for snap elections when it was obvious his coalition would lose.
Maybe they know the crash is coming and want to leave their rivals holding the bag? Then they get to punish the voters for being unruly and not obediently holding to the center, and they're already blaming the left for losing power so they can use this to boost their own support while trashing their other rivals.
Stupid 4D chess bullshit. 👍
the crash is coming and want to leave their rivals holding the bag
This is the most likely motivation for sticking with the Lich , as well as the massive DNC fundraising boost a tRump II would cause.
This has been my nagging suspicion about the sudden calling of the UK election too.
Rishi's always been off for ridiculously paid board job, likely in finance around silicon valley, but the way it was called - the seemingly deliberately terrible optics, barely campaigning, completely fucking over much of the Tory party feels like more than just a fuck you to colleagues who didn't respect him and the racists in the party.
For the actual deep establishment of the UK (military, intelligence, billionaire class) this has always been a planned handover of power, but I think the urgency came not just from Rishi's spite but this class' concern that the Tories were going to complicate it with a vote of no confidence and end up having an election right when overlapping crisis hit - economic spiralling, food and produce shortages, and likely the UK stepping up involvement in at least Ukraine and maybe Israel etc.
It's been well known that Rishi never wanted to be a wartime PM despite his tough on Russia posturing. He's been criticised for it by Tory insiders since becoming PM basically. Then you've had the recent increase in official visits, defence conference panels, and meetings with Azov, the Ukrainian military, and associated defense industry people not just in the commons, often to a Labour-heavy audience, but even directly with Starmer's Labour party even instead of the current government. So I do wonder if the establishment basically called time on Rishi because they needed the safe, controlled pair of hands of Starmer high on a Labour victory in place before the escalation happens.
Interestingly, a Tory MP said something very similar on a podcast recently; about the UK planning a much more 'visible' role directly in the Ukraine war for the end of the summer/autumn that wouldn't be able to be half-hidden from the public. But he's also kind of a crank when it comes to a lot of right-wing conspiracy stuff like 'Covid totalitarianism' so who knows what that's worth.
That’s kind of what I think. Plus it’s the whole point of democrats.
Republicans do all the real governing and whenever their stunning, absolute confidence from the public even withers by the slightest amount, the democrats are brought in to soak up the blame and then heroically defeated by the GOP. Rinse and repeat.
Anyone in the party with the power to get the ball rolling on replacing Biden will be, at worst, completely unaffected personally by another Trump presidency. In most cases, it would be financially beneficial for them.
We need to affect them personally then. No Brunch For The Wicked
Crazy how Sundown Joe can refer to either his mental state or his political views.
Liberal optimism really is adorable. Like a child saying he wants to be a dinosaur when he grows up.
Ohhhhh heeee's runnin!
They will because the dem's job isn't to win elections.
John Stossel
lol haven't seen that name in a while
Those are some bleak numbers chief...
Who's they? Isn't Biden the supreme leader of the Democratic party at this point? We've been hearing that the oligarchs have been urging him to reconsider but if he doesn't drop out he must be the candidate.
The DNC delegates could do something really funny in Chicago...
It's wild. He's not even fit for office right now let alone holding office for another 4 years starting 6 months from now.
They're so fucked. The only candidate with any name recognition and popularity who could potentially replace him is Hilldawg and nobody likes her. It's so Joever.
He's not even fit for office right now let alone holding office for another 4 years starting 6 months from now.
I think people seriously understate this part of the current political calculus going on.
I put it as a coin flip right now whether or not Biden gets swapped out but if the party leaders and the media adopt the position that he is unfit to serve another term due to cognitive decline....isn't that an implicit acknowledgement that he is unfit to serve and should step down right now?
Exactly.
Its funny I was talking to my mom about it the other day and I said something like "I don't get why Republicans haven't tried to enact the 25th amendment yet" and she just said "Why would they? They want to win." lmao
Who else do they have? They have to commit. No one is voting for the Democrats anymore
It was a debate
The problem is they cannot replace Biden, there is simply way too much Democratic money interests tied to the Biden administration.
Ukraine is like Bitcoin - Biden has managed to pour huge amount of money onto that front and got everyone to buy into it, expecting the line to go up and up and up. Nobody wants to be left holding the bag, and that’s the same logic as people holding on to Bitcoin and refusing to sell. Better that everyone goes down together than to be the one making a loss. Sunk cost fallacy.
Having said that, Biden is still not completely cooked yet. There are 5 months left, and “interesting” things can happen that would be so shocking that the polls could still be flipped.
Joe Biden should drop out but I understand why they aren't replacing him. The Democrats are the most risk adverse political party possible. The question isn't should he drop out but who replaces him. Pick the wrong person and you risk alienating key parts of your base. Do they even beat Trump? I think there's a correct candidate who meets all the parameters to win this year but the democrats are cowards and aren't willing to take the risk.
plus they have the copium of "he won last time."
yes they will.
