My theory is that all traffic planning in Germany is being done by drunk chimpanzees. This confirms it yet again.
Jesus, i saw that picture and thought
well murica and their anti pedestrian street designs
Then read your comment.
Checked the picture.
Zoomed in. there is text.
in disbelief
thats actually a german crossing.
Got angry and dumbfounded at the same time.
What piece of shit is this crossing?!
Towards whatever Communityplanners on meth that did this: Fix this shit!
You can easily tell it’s not American because it’s even there in the first place. You don’t get a sign explaining the bike paths and crosswalks in America. You just gotta know or get fucked. Also we wouldn’t have a complicated bike route we just wouldn’t have one, solves that issue…
See, I watch Adam Something videos from the point of view that he's not really talking about America. He's talking about European politicians looking at terrible ideas from America and trying to replicate them.
This is a pretty good example. America wouldn't do this, exactly, but it's a step towards our terrible bike infrastructure. The other poster had the right of it: in America, the sign wouldn't be there at all, but the intersection would still be badly designed.
I've been staring at it for a moment and am still unsure if I understood everything properly. xd
It's not that hard to read from here, but definitely hard to read cycling
Sign or not this is pretty much how cyclists are supposed to cross most big intersections and the inconvenience of it is the reason so many of them break the rules. If you make rules that are too complicated, counterintuitive or inconvenient people will break them.
It makes sense, it's just stupidly presented.
If I need 5min to read and understand a road sign which you will pass at >15km/h annd have 10sek to read it's just bad.
It's presented the way it is, it's just shit infrastructure.
Someone designed this intersection and got asked where the bike paths were and they went "oh, the bikepaths, yeah, they exist.... here and here and here... it's just not on this particular slide, or any other slide I've brought today. It'll totally be there on the final thing."
Hence the "hmmmm."
Happy cake.
It makes sense if you believe that cars should have absolute priority in traffic and should never never ever be in the slightest inconvenienced in order to make life easier for cyclists.
Oh I get it. The top picture is a bike. 🚲 The bottom picture is the same bike after being hit by a 6ft tall SUV while trying to cross that intersection.
Welcome to Germany!
EDIT: I was wrong. This is in Erfurt, Germany.
That might be Switzerland. White frames around traffic lights are not typical for Germany. And the sign itself would likely have a white background instead of a yellow one. Also there is a Molly Malone Pub with a similar typography as the one in the ad in Winterthur, Switzerland.
And yes, it's a very boring day today
It's the Schmidtstedter Knoten in Erfurt.
Me planning my next move in life.
Choosing your path through the multiverse
At least you know you'll be doing it by bicycle 🚲
This was made by someone who hates bikers and just wants to see them smeared across the pavement
Ahh, the classic "we built this six lane monstrosity of a road for cars and have scraps here, here and here for the legally mandated bike lane that people voted for, but we don't really want to piss the NIMBYs off. Fuck it, just make it as cheap and inconvenient as possible."
If the roles were reversed, drivers would be kicking down the door to the mayor, lol.
Looks like a dumb redneck kid trying to draw a swastika
hortler!
Man, I hate the detours you're supposed to take as a pedestrian or bicyclist, so that car drivers don't get inconvenienced.
I'm sure there are plenty of car drivers who'd take the challenge to follow those bike routes.
Is this Loss?
The absolute state of...
...German transportation infrastructure?
It’s so obvious!
/s
Is it not obvious? You're not allowed to go straight from the sign is.
You have to make a right if you want to make a right, a left or continue going straight.
They probably have the lanes marked out too.
Basically bikes have to go around the intersection as if it was a roundabout
This is made sense pretty much right away for me. It's like a roundabout, go around to the right until you have your exit.
Congrats. What about everyone else? There are clearly enough people here that this is confusing for it be taken seriously. Especially since this is how cyclists get killed.
Ps. Fuck cars
No. There is no Loss here. I refuse. I refuse
https://www.adfc.de/artikel/den-regeln-der-stvo-folgen
In principle, cyclists may choose whether to turn left directly or indirectly.
When turning directly left, cyclists may also leave cycle paths that are subject to mandatory use in order to turn directly left, but must pay attention to straight ahead traffic, which has the right of way. If you want to turn directly left, get into the middle of the lane in good time and follow the traffic lights of the corresponding lane.
When turning indirectly left, the cyclist first stays to the right and crosses the junction or intersection. They then turn left. The cyclist therefore crosses two lanes straight ahead.
Of course, the question arises as to whether you want to cycle on the road or prefer to stay on the cycle path.
As a cyclist you're in constant danger around car traffic. Insisting on your rights will likely get you killed. We need cycling infrastructure that is separate from car infrastructure and that will create some inconvenience for car drivers.
They need a sign like this which gets the point across:
Hitler seems to still be building the Autobahns
I don't speak bikeniese can someone translate?
This bike lane is on the left side, but the bike lanes in the rest of the city are on the right. Someone then thought the best way to connect them is to have them cross 2 streets to get to the bike path leading to the right, and from there take 2 left turns if they want to go left, which also has a separate lane for right turns - just for the cars, of course, so that is another lane bicycles need to cross.
So, depending how the traffic lights work, bicycles have to wait up to 5 times to do a simple left turn. The traffic needs to flow after all, and traffic just means car traffic to some city planners.
I want steakweek
I thought it was a warning... Be careful or your bike will end up in this shape.
Why don't kids just bike to school anymore.
That and (in America at least) closing neighborhood schools to consolidate them into larger ones further away. They're allegedly better because they can offer more variety of classes and amenities, but losing local schools, which serve as a focus of the community, can destroy neighborhoods. (Example: English Avenue School closing in 1995, and the surrounding neighborhood suffering a huge increase in crime shortly thereafter.)
When people without kids say they shouldn't have to pay education tax, I tell them good schools reduces gang activity.
At first I thought the bottom was just two different deconstructions of the bicycle
I really appreciate my town's bike infrastructure. We have protected bike lanes with a berm between cyclists and traffic, as well as bike left turn "boxes" that essentially put you first in line of the cross traffic stopped at a red light.
Because that's fuckery is easier than just installing one more crossing....
That's a little nugget we'd call "Realer Irsinn" ("Logical Lunacy") in germany.
