'Evil is being defeated by God': Marjorie Taylor Greene celebrates after Pope's death
'Evil is being defeated by God': Marjorie Taylor Greene celebrates after Pope's death
This made me laugh incredibly hard, so had to post it.
Are there still Protestants who are assmad about the "papist" Catholics? Feels like a complete anachronism like hearing slurs against the Irish and Italians.
Oh, absolutely, I know Protestants who don't consider Catholics to be Christians at all. And a large part of the current religious conservatism in America is based on these Protestant Evangelicals.
Catholics who are rooting on the Christofascists just because they are currently anti-abortion don't realize that it won't be too long before Catholics are targeted. The Christofascists never liked them anyway, they just liked their votes. Once they no longer need to rely on votes to stay in power, they don't need the Catholics anymore.
Yeah, American Protestants have hated Catholics for generations, and it's only made worse by the fact that Catholics tend, in general, to be more left-leaning than Protestants so they're now on opposite sides of the political aisle too. The fireworks when they finally start going at each other full-tilt for a change (instead of going at everyone around them) are going to be sweet indeed.
American Catholicism right now is a mixed bag. On certain social issues, they are quite Conservative. We know their stance on Abortion, and even though Pope Francis said some encouraging things about same-sex relationships, nothing substantial has changed.
Where Catholics worldwide are much more liberal is in their relationship with migrants and other marginalized people. Where this administration sees "shithole countries", the Church sees places where they can go and actively work to improve the lives of people there. They see their future strength in administering to the spiritual needs of the poor in those countries, and will always aim to help migrants. And in fact, this Pope spent a lot of his final days on earth reminding American bishops (and JD Vance) to show mercy to migrants and treat them with basic human dignity.
Yeah, their stance on abortion, contraceptive, same-sex marriages, etc haven't substantively changed for as long as I've been paying attention, despite this pope nudging things in the right direction. As for marginalized people I know they've done good work, but I'm not sure 'Hey we could convert these poor people and have even more people giving us money' is for the benefit of the poor so much as it is for the benefit of the church. People like Mother Theresa had some pretty abominable attitudes toward suffering, for example, suggesting that it's good for people and shit.
So, the whole thing is a mixed bag from where I sit.
In my experience, Catholics tend to be pretty moderate, since the Catholic Church is strictly hierarchical and all dogma originates from the Vatican. The size of the Church, it seems, has a moderating effect on its dogma since they have to appeal to such a large group of followers, and the views of its members tend to average out with a bias towards conservatism (because the Church is so unbelievably old that the inertia of 15th or 10th century doctrine still holds sway).
Protestants, meanwhile, span the whole political spectrum since the label is pretty broad in general. There are plenty of Protestant churches in my area that espouse very liberal and accepting social views, and probably at least a dozen will even marry same-sex couples, something notoriously disapproved of by the Catholic Church and many other denominations. But there are also many, much louder, Protestant churches that are basically full MAGA.
This is one of the biggest issues I take with people pronouncing themselves "protestant". Yah, you're not Catholic, but that tells me as much as saying you aren't from Romania- effectively nothing.
Sure, there definitely are conservative Catholics and liberal Protestants, I was just speaking in broad generalizations and tendencies (hence the use of the phrase 'tend, in general, to be'.)
Careful, the Catholics are by no means a homogenous group either. There's the whole "Trad Cath" thing going on.
Small mention in Folding Ideas' Geocentrists video
Which is why I used words like 'tend to be' and 'in general'. The only way I know to qualify my statement more explicitly as a generalization involves the use of big flashing neon signs, but that seems impractical in a text forum. :P
Also <3 Dan's videos, been watching them for years.
Yeah you're fine :)
I've met Mormons who don't consider Catholics to be Christian, which is pretty fucking hilarious.
ETA: Speaking of Catholics who try to cozy up to the right-wing evangelical Protestant movement because they have common causes but don't realize they are being used... The Mormons are even further up the enemies list of the right-wing Protestants than the Catholics. And they too don't seem to be aware of this. Basically if the likes of MTG get their wish to crush gays, trans, feminists, atheists, and liberals under their boot heels, they will turn on themselves. Starting with the non-Christian religions, then the JWs, then the Mormons, then the Catholics. They will go with the lowest hanging fruit.
I've met Baptists and Methodists and other main-line Protestant denominations who don't, so it's by no means isolated to the fringe.
the book of mormon says black skin is the mark of sin for "rebellion and iniquity." And mormons only came to a more moderate understanding of that historically very recently.
So you'll forgive me if I dont care about what mormon clowns say about much of anything.
Unfortunately, they found "evidence" for that belief in "the" bible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_Ham#Racism_and_slavery
good catch yeah. I dont beleive in much that christians say either, but I try to keep that to myself because I dont want to fight about it. The bible is an absurd and terribly written document. The Torah is even worse. And I dont know much about the Koran, but I dont have high hopes considering its another Abrahamic religion from the same time period and philosophies.
I'm not about to make the time to read holy books, I'd sooner shove bamboo up my own fingernails. ..The benefits of a catholic school education, all the way up to undergrad. So many years wasted to get to the conclusion that none of those people had any idea what they were saying, and what they did say they didnt actually believe or adhere to. I do consider the bible to actually be a founding document of the US, insomuch as it teaches "rules for thee and not for me" and "ask too many questions of authority and you get beaten". And not much else.
Ok you can call me an edge-lord now.
And soon you may ban books and newspapers, and turn Catholics against Protestants, and Protestants against Protestants, and try to foist your own religion upon the mind of man. If you can do one, you can do the other, because fanaticism and ignorance is forever busy and needs feeding.
Inherit the Wind, 1960
I was raised in a Baptist Church and my pastor used to spend a significant amount of time shit talking Catholics.
catholics dont think about baptists at all.
I don't go to church anymore, but growing up all my catholic priest had to say about people with different religions was that we should love everyone equally.
It never went away, most Evangelicals are open about it.
Makes sense, since Islam also venerates the Virgin Mary. There are long passages in the Qur'an praising her.
Muslim here. Mary is, in fact, not venerated in Islam in the way Catholics use the term. She's praised in the Quran, sure, and is considered a Very Good Person, but so are many people. Islam is considered heresy in Christianity because it rejects the Trinity (according to Islam only Unitarians have the slightest clue what they're talking about), accepts Muhammed as a prophet and rejects parts of the Bible as corrupted.
Mary is, in fact, not venerated in Islam in the way Catholics use the term.
That's true, "venerated" was not the best choice of words. But both Mary and Jesus are regarded as exemplary people; Jesus is one of the prophets. And, yes, Tawheed (the belief that there is only one God, who has no partners) is definitely something where Islam differs from almost all forms of Christianity.
Oh, they absolutely still exist and they are breeding more of them.
And they talk about Catholics - the OG xtians - as not being "really real xtians".
Which is SUCH a wild take. But
Are there still Protestants who are assmad about the “papist” Catholics?
Yes, there are.
I strongly suspect right now the stuff we just saw with Vance and now MTG is an attempt to exploit existing American anti-Catholic vitriol that's been in the USA since forever. Basically, a further attempt to "divide and conquer" the USA using existing religious divides. I don't think this is just some variation of Republicans being hypocrites, I think all of this is to purposefully further an agenda to divide America further to prevent unity, this time between white Catholics and white Protestants.
The Catholic Church has absolutely done lots stuff that is wrong, in modern times and historically, but at the same time, in certain Protestant households you still have folks putting Catholics in the same sentence as Muslims and Jews when they go on their bigoted and racist screeds. They see Catholics in the same way they see black folks, Jews, Muslims, immigrants, etc. But since it's "white Christian against white Christian" people don't talk about it much, it's more acceptable to hate Catholics.
And you also get ex-Protestant/ex-religious folks who were raised like that, to see Catholics as pagan, who don't seem to realize that while there's definitely stuff the Catholic church has done wrong, there ALSO is a whole shit-ton of Protestants in the USA who simply hate Catholics because they were taught that from childhood, along with all of the other racist stuff.
They might have started to de-clutter their mind of other stereotypes or biases or racisms they grew up with, like the ones against Jews or Muslims or whatever, but don't stop to wonder about how much shit they were told about Catholics is wrong or right. So they're still susceptible to dog-whistles even if they consider themselves atheist.
And that's what Vance and MTG are doing right now, dog-whistling against yet another group in the US to prevent unity with them.
