"If you didn't want fascism you should have voted!"

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Surely this means we just aren't voting hard enough
- 90 million people didn’t vote at all. Trump won with 77 million votes. 13 million more people did nothing, than all of the people that voted for Trump.
  
  So, not any different from any other presidential election in the USA?
  
  There were 3 million fewer voters than in 2020. This was the most advertised election in US history, and more people sat out.
  
  "Didn't vote" always beats out the votes for either candidate, though. A small downward shift in the numbers is probably the fault of Democrats dividing their own base by endorsing genocide.
  
  I think in biden's first election the "didn't vote" category was beaten.
  
  You could very well be right. My memory is like a sieve sometimes. XD
  
  Yup. According to polls, the number one reason people abstained or voted third-party was Biden/Harris handling of Gaza. It’s either an ignorant or arrogant choice, depending on their awareness of Trump’s sociopathy and unwavering support of Netanyahu.
  It wasn’t a small downward shift though. It was greater than the amount Harris lost by, if you count the increase in third-party votes.
  
  I agree. Whether it was ignorance or arrogance, the Democrats are entirely responsible for driving so many people away from the polls and squandering what could otherwise have been a shoe-in for Harris.
  
  Or dumbasses are responsible for the fascist takeover here.
  Dems aren't great but it you couldn't be convinced to vote here it's not on them.
  But yeah, keep making excuses for lazy people not doing their civic duty. It's working out great.
  
  "it's not the candidates job to convince people to vote for them" is a wild take.
  
  When it comes to the left, which now has the bar set at, "does not tolerare genocide", the Democrats cannot fail, they can only be failed.
  You're welcome for the civics lesson, citizen. Don't forget to buy war bonds!
  
  Remember, the situation is dire enough that leftists need to abandon everything they believe in and throw their enthusiastic support behind genocidal monsters, but not so dire that the Democrats need to actually make an effort to attract voters
  
  It's also a wild take that nonvoters aren't responsible for this fascist takeover. As if you needed more convincing somehow.
  
  Lol. Who is responsible for the fascist takeover? The fascists?
  No, the non voters
  
  You've got that precisely backwards.
  It is not the job of voters to vote correctly, it's the party's job to convince the voting population that they are worth voting for.
  The Republicans are really effective at this because they can lie and cheat and overpromise on anything and their base will love them for it. Democrats are remarkably ineffective because they can't promise anything that might raise taxes on their campaign financiers.
  If you want the Democrats to stop losing, then they need to fear losing your vote more than they fear offending billionaires. The only way to do that is to threaten to withhold your vote.
  And it's working! AOC and Bernie's rally tours have more people excited about the Democrats than there have been since Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the DNC kicked Bernie out of the 2016 primary. AOC is a front-runner for the 2028 election, the campaign for which appears to have already started.
  
  I agree with everything except the "it's working!" part. Unfortunately, Bernie and AOC are very much insiders that prioritize their capitalist party over common people. They go to bat for their "backstabbers" every time, they tell you to support Biden and then Harris, they shy away from the word "genocide" while voting to materially support one. The function of the Bernie-AOC tour is to keep the disillusioned from leaving the party behind. Which is what is actually needed to fight fascism. We already have civic fascism, we export the worst effects of it to other countries. It's just making a little visit home and there's a risk people will understand this violence as a normalcy of the system and that we must organize ourselves against it rather than just spend 30 minures every four years for a certain flavor if genocidal racist.
  
  Yeah it's working! Everything is burning down. It's great!
  But Im sure people like you think we can just undo all this calamity in a few years huh?
  Reality is this current backwards turn won't be fixed in our lives, let alone progressing forward. Dumbest fucking gamble ever.
  
  Don't misunderstand, I live in a solid blue state. Whether or not I made good on my threat to abstain from voting is an entirely moot question for the presidential election. As far as the electoral college is concerned, my voting power went to Harris.
  Yeah it's working! Everything is burning down. It's great!
  And it's been inevitable since the DNC decided to fuck Bernie and push establishment candidates back in late 2015.
  It's a waste of rage to blame the voters for their obvious response, as every election since then was cynically forseeable. The party would fuck around in 2020 and win anyway because Trump was awful, continue fucking around during their administration because "bipartisanship", and now we get to find out if we get to have elections again or how long it takes America to descend into it's own unique brand of fascism.
  But Im sure people like you think we can just undo all this calamity in a few years huh?
  Of course not, but the Democrat Party chose this future. They had every opportunity to avoid this path, but they have always preferred the negative peace that is the absence of tension to the positive peace that is the presence of justice.
  There is no undoing this now, the American Empire is over and just hasn't realized it yet. We have reached The Cool Zone™ and the only question that remains is how we'll organize to survive the years ahead. If the Democrats won't lead the resistance then we'll have to do it ourselves.
  Reality is this current backwards turn won't be fixed in our lives, let alone progressing forward. Dumbest fucking gamble ever.
  I agree, and so do a lot of people who are unhappy with the Democrat party these days. They gambled on another pro-establishment, "everything is fine, nothing will change" campaign when they know they win when they run a "hope and change" campaign. They lost, we get to pay the price, and too much of the party leadership joins you in blaming the voters instead of taking responsibility for their own leadership.
  But hey, at least the new chair of the DNC is starting to point in the right direction, and might not even stomp out a popular candidate this time: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/18/dnc-chair-outlines-pro-worker-union-focus
  
  Only an American could describe opposition to genocide as "ignorant or arrogant"
  
  Hey now, that's not fair.
  Israelis and Boers would say that, too. And some Germans, still, believe it or not.
  
  There was no opposition to genocide. That would be the ignorant justification.
  The choice was between genocide, and genocide with fascism. Knowing that, and choosing to do nothing so you feel better, is arrogant.
  
  There was no opposition to genocide
  Like hell there wasn't. Don't project your own lack of morality onto everyone else.
  The choice was between genocide, and genocide and fascism
  Yeah, nothing fascist about exterminating an entire race in order to expand an authoritarian ethnostate...
  
  There are two parties that can with a US presidential election. The choices were bad or worse for Palestinians. Voting for anyone other than bad, is permitting worse to take office.
  Welcome to first past the post. It’s a civic duty, not a representation of who you are. Is it fair? Fuck no. That’s how it works for now, and the West Bank will be a billionaire resort thanks to people’s “higher morals.” Way to go. Hope they sleep better at night. The Palestinians sure won’t.
  
  The choices were bad or worse for Palestinians. Voting for anyone other than bad, is permitting worse to take office.
  Trump has been no worse than Democrats on Palestine, and the fact that libs think he has, shows that they'll only be honest about the situation when Republicans are in charge.
  Hope they sleep better at night. The Palestinians sure won’t.
  It's disgusting of you to act like you care about Palestinians.
  
  Eww a genocider
  
  There was no opposition to genocide.
  I know people with disabilities caused by police responses to our fight against genocide.
  Genocide apologist, beg for forgiveness.
  
  Those 90 million people are more correct about the nature of US electoral politics than any Dem voter.
- Clearly, the answer is to go the way of the Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador and make voting compulsory on pain of death. I’m sure that if centrists, neoclassical liberals, and white moderates watched Oliver Stone’s Salvador, they’d think that that system is a great idea. If anything, they’d say that summarily executing people for lacking a voter permit is being too nice to them.

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