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Genital mutilation under the guise of āeasier to cleanā is stupid. Cutting off your legs also makes them easier to clean.
I've seen people lose their shit over babies with pierced ears and young children getting tattoos. There's all sorts of dental work you go through as a kid that you have functionally no control over.
Even had someone chew me out because a foster kid I was taking care of got a haircut (three years old and she'd literally never had one before).
At some point, it is the parent's duty to take care of the child, and that extends to medical decisions with profound long-term consequences. I get wanting to change the culture, but the degree to which people exaggerate the harm of circumcision struggles to eclipse the degree to which it is defended.
Cutting off your legs also makes them easier to clean.
There is some substantive utility to legs that doesn't extend to the bit of flesh around the tip of your dick.
Being able to turn the end of my dick into a water balloon is all the substantive utility I require, sir.
A perk of living in a modern world.
What's even funnier to me is how people will full on rage when someone brings up female genital mutilation while in the same breath saying circumcision is fine
Dude, yeah. Itās so weird.
I refused circumcision for my son (25 years ago, US hospital), and had to remind the staff several times because it was just assumed it would be done. I stopped them 3 times during different shifts when they were about to take him from our room for the procedure.
Then when it came up in conversation when he was an infant, people would say to me āyou should have done itā, because he would get infections (he never did), or heād be bullied in gym showers (he never did to my knowledge), or whatever. My take was it should be his decision, not mine.
The pressure was really intense, though. Itās weird how interested people can be in someone elseās infantās penis. Weāve never talked about it, but reading stories from other men, I assume heās happy being uncut, and Iām glad I didnāt do it.
e: for anyone reading this days later, I did ask my son for his opinion prompted by this conversation, mostly because of responses I got elsewhere in this thread that made me question my decision:
Me: Hey man, so feel free not to answer this if itās too personal, but I was having a debate about circumcision and another parent challenged me saying Iād made the wrong decision. So yes/no/I donāt want to talk about it cuz thatās weird, do you regret my decision?
Son: I donāt, and none of my partners have, either. I only get thumbs up and compliments. I hope that wasnāt too personal.
Me: Not at all. Thank you for giving me your and your partnersā review!
So yeah, itās not just my assumptions. And no regrets.
My take was it should be his decision, not mine.
It's not though. They'll never be able to go back and have it done as an infant. Time machines don't exist.
The procedure is much, much easier as an infant than it is as a boy or teenager or adult.
I respect whatever decision you made. There are reasons for both. But no, he didn't have the option to go back and have it done easily.
And sorry about the pressure. You shouldn't have to go through that, and I hope/expect that aspect is better after 25 years.
every slice and dice would be easier as an infant as you wouldn't remember it anyway. you're an idiot
I actually think about the ignored psychological effects of dealing with that level of physical pain so soon after being born a lot.
Birth is already a traumatic experience for both mother and infant. But to then immediately, with no anesthesia, cut an extremely sensitive part of the infants body off? That has to leave some kind of mental scarring.
I can actually speak to this.
I was born with a genetic condition affecting my collagen (Ehlers Danlos), which meant my bones were overly soft and, since I was breach til moments before birth, my legs were bowed pretty severely. This was in 1971, and the treatment at that time was the doctors literally bent my legs into position manually and then braced them for my first few years. Thatās not how they deal with it nowadays, because they learnt it was horribly painful.
I donāt remember that initial experience, obviously, but my mother tells me several years later when I was a young child and having problems walking, she took me to the doctor and they finally worked out that I was in excruciating pain all the time. They asked why I hadnāt said anything and I told them it was because everyone was always in excruciating pain, but nobody else was complaining about it, so I shouldnāt either. Iād been in pain since birth, and just figured it was normal.
That experience prevented me from getting proper care and made my early childhood hell. I still have emotional trauma from it. So yeah, early pain is not benign.