Here's what telegram's founder say about Whatsapp's privacy
Here's what telegram's founder say about Whatsapp's privacy
The world seems to be shocked by the news that WhatsApp turned any phone into spyware. Everything on your phone – including photos, emails and texts – could be accessed by attackers just because you had WhatsApp installed [1]. This news didn’t surprise me, though. Last year WhatsApp had to ad...
This is an article written by telegram's founder and CEO Pavel Durov in 2019 on "Why whatsapp will never be secure". Your thoughts?
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WhatsApp will be never private and secure, while Telegram will be never private. 😁
Who said telegram is secure?
No one said the opposite, while on WhatsApp they had several vulnerabilities that allowed attackers to get the user phone control.
An example: https://thehackernews.com/2021/04/new-whatsapp-bug-couldve-let-attackers.html
But there were many more vulnerabilities or "features" that WhatsApp allowed attackers or governments to get into user data. While I haven't read anything about against Telegram security.
like Telegram doesn't encrypt most messages therefore by design is already not secure and user data is readable.
It is secure as secure is logging into your bank account from your web browser.
i like my messages to be encrypted. Banking is a totally different topic.
I think you are mixing concepts, encryptions isn't related to "secure" but to "privacy". On my example, your data on bank is encrypted via SSL which the server has the private key to read it, but it is encrypted. Telegram is the same, your messages are being encrypted by a public key owned by the server, but it is encrypted, just not end to end.
Security and privacy often overlap. e2e secures messages content from unwanted eyes. And therefore also benefits privacy of course.
Telegram and WhatsApp both use TLS - so in don't see the advantage for Telegram there.
But to be fair I shouldn't have started to talk about e2e if your initial concern was exploit count and serivity. (Which I didn't compare between the two messenger's)
Security and privacy often overlap. e2e secures messages content from unwanted eyes. And therefore also benefits privacy of course.
You were talking about security, not about privacy.
Telegram and WhatsApp both use TLS - so in don’t see the advantage for Telegram there.
I'm not talking about privacy, if you read the first replies from this thread you will see I expose some examples how easy is to exploit WhatsApp, that's a security issue, not a privacy issue.
But to be fair I shouldn’t have started to talk about e2e if your initial concern was exploit count and serivity. (Which I didn’t compare between the two messenger’s)
Remember you said: "like Telegram doesn’t encrypt most messages therefore by design is already not secure and user data is readable."
And I replied to you that no one said Telegram was unsafe, there were no exploits or any security issues, while on WhatsApp, many issues have been found.
Returning to your initial phrase:
Security and privacy often overlap. e2e secures messages content from unwanted eyes. And therefore also benefits privacy of course.
"secures messages content from unwanted eyes" is called privacy. Stop mixing the two concepts.
all i say is e2e encryption is security and privacy by taking away a lucrative attac vector. But we dont have to agree about that. Telegram and Whatsapp had their and will have future exploits. But i am not gonna nitpick any further.