Right-Wing Trolls Are Freaking Out After Learning They Can Get Sued For Calling People 'Groomers' On The Internet
Right-Wing Trolls Are Freaking Out After Learning They Can Get Sued For Calling People 'Groomers' On The Internet
New court decision reinforces that there is no public interest in speech that exposes vulnerable groups to hate
Other right-wing accounts variously reacted by describing the move as Orwellian, lamenting the death of free speech and even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Oh no. Not that. Please no.
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even contemplating leaving Canada for good.
Hello, yes, LGBT person stuck in Texas here. Can I have their house please? I don't really like the cold, but if it means I don't have to feel scared about coming out of the closet then I could deal with it.
As a closeted bi dude in Canada let me burst your bubble and let you know that Canada is no progressive safe haven. The militant anti lgbtq “litterboxes have infested our schools” style of facism masquerading as conservatism is growing at an alarming rate. My entire towns Facebook pages are overrun with this ideology. If you go on Grindr here, over half the accounts are hate accounts that harass and attempt to stalk users. It’s no picnic here.
litter boxes
Not who you're replying to, but fuck, I forgot about that conspiracy.
Ughhhh. I'm not LGBT, but I hate how they are mistreated and the fucking mental gymnastics and lengths people will do to hate you guys. It's fucking despicable.
Grindr account -> harrassment
Jesus, that's shitty.
Some dudes play the long game to get you to open up and then they post all of your stuff on the town pages and stuff calling you a groomer or a pedo. And the worst part is that most people believe the first thing they see/hear/read so all it takes is one rumour or malicious post and your entire life in the town is upside down. Can’t leave the house to go to the grocery store without someone sneering or making a remark.
Rural Atlantic Canada is absolutely fucked and it wasn’t even this bad 3 years ago when I moved here. Looking to make my exit plan in the next year or so.
Try a larger metro area if you can afford to. The established LGBT communities could probably help you feel a bit more welcome.
That’s the goal. I used to live in a metropolitan area but was priced out and moved more rurally but things now have gotten very very bad where I’m at. Saving some money and hoping I can sell the house before someone burns it down.
I’m hoping I’m just being extreme at the last part 😭
My heart goes out to you, dude. It sounds like a terrible situation.
Hang in there. I'm rooting for you
I'd say move to someplace like the Cowichan Valley on Vancovuer Island, but even rural property is expensive. Maybe Edmonton? Urban, fairly progressive, cold (and therefore less expensive), lots of work.
And now precedent has been established for a lawsuit in this case, at least, despite it being an awful situation as a complete understatement
What do you mean
I’m sure they’re fully erect as they swipe through grindr, seething with anger and ejaculate looking to explode.
I've got trans friends and family. I'm legitimately worried about their future
No offense by I’m littery worried about everyone’s future. It just seems the world is hell bent on diving off a cliff.
You're not wrong, but historically, the trans people are the first ones forced off that cliff
I fully agree that Canada's not a progressive safe haven, but I think for now queer people are still better off pretty much anywhere in Canada than in Texas. Let's all agree that this isn't much of an accomplishment.
However, I live in New-Brunswick, whose Conservative government has been at the forefront of the recent uprise in anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric in Canada. At work, I wear a pronoun pin. I've worn dresses and nail polish (as a person who was AMAB) out anywhere, from sketchy clubs downtown to Tim Horton's in rural villages. I've been made to feel uncomfortable at times, sure, but I've very rarely felt truly unsafe being visibly queer in Canada. From the perspectives of southern American queers I've read, that doesn't seem to be the experience in places like Texas (outside of progressive bubbles such as Austin).
That's not to say the situation in Canada vis-à-vis LGTBQ+ rights and well-being isn't incredibly worrying. With folks like Blaine Higgs, Scott Moe, and potentially Pierre Poilievre running things, plus the everlasting importing of American political talking points, Canada could very well become as inhospitable for queer people as anywhere in the US. In NB, Higgs is already gearing to use the "parents rights" anti-queer dogwhistle as his main campaign issue for the next election. My friends and I have all been called groomers by anti-queer protesters, some have even had their pride flags ripped away from them and stomped on.
Sorry this comment kinda got long and ranty. TL;DR: Shit sucks for queer people in Canada and will quite possibly get much worse very quickly but I still think we're better off than Texan queers (for now).
Varies a lot by region. Out here on Vancouver Island you can see it in microcosm. Still, I would be curious about teasing out stats on how different.
My impression from relatives in even Alberta would (anecdotally) seem to back this up. Edmonton would be fine, but Lloydminster maybe a little rough.
I'd say come live nearby especially if you make adirondack chairs. But the housing crisis is everywhere. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/how-one-corner-of-nova-scotia-s-eastern-shore-became-an-unlikely-lgbtq-haven-1.6936773
In Canada those are Muskoka chairs
Muskoka chairs*
Yeah, we're maybe 15 years behind the US on that stuff. Of course, very few young people are into it, so there's a demographic headwind. We also have faster immigration, and if the US goes really ugly that's going to lead to a crackdown on the troglodytes here.
As a furry, the "litterboxes in the classrooms" thing would be funny if it weren't for the fact that A) it's not just a couple nutjobs, somehow people actually believed it, and B) they actually exist to a certain extent, but not because of "trans-animal" kids; some schools have them so kids have a place to piss during a lockdown (like a shooting).
It's not uncommon for the community to have memes about furries showing up in textbooks, the furry illuminati, furries in high places, we're taking over your schools and making them cringe, etc, because there are a number of us with "mystery money" and/or have odd jobs. Like, there are furries who are CEOs, furries who are scientists, tech furries, and furries who are just normal joes, working normal jobs as educators, accountants, etc. So "litterboxes in schools" would normally fuel that form of humor if it weren't for the fact that the circumstances around it are so fucked up.
God damn, where are you like Alberta?
Alberskatchetoba.
New Brunswick. The province that enacted a special law to force teachers to out trans and gay kids to their parents based off of 3 fraudulent conspiracy letters, one of which literally mentioned litterboxes in classrooms.
My comrad in crisis, no one in Canada can afford houses anymore. High chance they are just impoverished renters.
2/3 of Canadians own their own homes.
Hmm, that actually tracks with what I see in real life, but it's pretty impressive. I guess that's also why we have massive household debt.
We have massive household debt because we are livestock farmed for wealth by the plutocrats. They get us in debt early and keep us in debt our whole lives to that they can extract the maximum amount of interest from us until we die and our estates can be picked over for anything that's left to pay our final debts.
You can look at it that way. They do advertise and play a lot of mind tricks. It's also possible to be so poor you don't even qualify to go into debt, though.
The plutocrats (as well as more moderately wealthy people) might argue that it's always agreed to freely by the debtor, so it's not their fault. I'd maintain free will doesn't exist at a collective level, and they fucking know it. The entire concept of marketing is predicated on that.
Still more empty homes than homeless.
Source?
Not the quoted person but a quick research:
Apparently around 1.3 million homes were vacant in Canada (2021 data)
I couldn't find anything more recent.
"Murtaza Haider is a professor of Real Estate Management at Ryerson University. Stephen Moranis is a real estate industry veteran."
oh yes very unbiased people right here
Edit: Seriously though, after reading the article this doesn't bust any myth at all. The only "source" cited is the census map and they don't even take their time to transform that data into something that's proving their point. That's just a piece of opinion, it isn't proving anything.
And what about the several hundred thousand cottages scattered across Canada that might be labelled unoccupied on census day...
...Many of them ought to be considered vacant homes. So how close does that get us to 235,000?
See I didn't respond because I knew this is exactly what you were going to do. It's always the same debate pervert internet sophistry.
Nobody ever asks for a source because they're intellectually curious, it's always just "this right wing source disagrees with your facts"
Please refrain from bad faith behavior. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you weren't just a troll and you shattered it.
means you're boring. Your childish insults are boring. Your banal political commentary is boring. Your sanctimonious, "That's why I couldn't be bothered to reply" while looking down your nose is boring.
That isnt just Canada bud. The cost of housing in the US far out paces incomes. At least anywhere that people want to live or where there are jobs.
Nobody is affraid to come out anymore, this in isn't 1950, spare us your drama.
A large percentage of homeless people are queer teens that were kicked out by their parents.
Nobody is affraid to come out anymore, this in isn’t 1950, spare us your drama.
Translation: I'm self-centered and arrogant enough to believe my personal experiences have taught me everything I need to know about the personal experiences of others.
You sound like a Republican.
Fail on both moron
Fail on both moron
You know how to avoid having people call you an arrogant prick who believes only your own personal experiences are valid? Don't say things that an arrogant prick who thought only their own personal experiences were valid would say.
And what do you mean fail on both? You sound like a Republican to me. That doesn't mean you are one. It just means you seem like one, to me.
So far, you aren't really changing my mind. You may not be one, but you definitely talk like one.
Are you queer?
Considering I have had people this YEAR at a place I worked calling trans people and drag queens groomers and pedophiles, it not being the 1950s doesn't seem to fucking matter.
You need to be honest with yourself.
Hey guys I found the straight white cis guy who doesn't believe he's got privilege
You mean straight white guy, you're a hilarious talking point you know that?