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Israel is a state
Judaism is a religionIf one disagrees or opposes one, they don't oppose the other. I know that Israel has managed to spin the narrative that Israel and Judaism are the same and everyone opposing the state is basically the same kind of hateful asshole Adolf was, but that's just not true. We here in Germany have struggled a long time with that for obvious reasons. You couldn't call out Israel for doing wrong shit without being called a Nazi. In that past that is. What you've seen isn't "Antisemitism". It's opposition to some of the bullshit Israel is pulling that is the very same kind of bullshit Jews have been subjected to in the past. Or tell me: What's the difference between a Ghetto in 1700s Germany and the Gaza Strip? Correct, the 1700s Ghetto had less travel restrictions.
There is a great push in Israel to be proud of the history of unjust oppression and prosecution Jews have suffered for centuries and how awful being a victim of that was. There is this sense that together, as a nation, they finally have the means to safeguard themselves against shit like that. Yet, that very same nation pulls a swift 180 when it comes to palestinians. Pushing them back into Ghettos, depriving them of any form of economical way out, depriving them of means to get their own electricity, their own water. Paying them pittances for their jobs, restricting travel for them whenever possible. Now, as soon as those people act hostile (go figure), the "state of the oppressed" Israel responds with the military. "A little bombardment will keep them in check, right? How dare they hate us?!"
If the message all the Shoa museums, all the graveyards for the people killed in atrocities was really understood, neither the "West Bank" nor the "Gaza Strip" could exist without Israelites acting up against them.
Rant over.
I agree with your conclusions but it's an oversimplification to say
Israel is a state
Judaism is a religionThose things are very tied together, partially because no, Judaism is not just a religion. It's a culture and ethnicity as well. And given the history of how/why Israel exists, it's in the unique position of not just being any ole state.
Palestine is also a state (of dubious status).
They are democratic.
Their constituents chose—chose—a party of genocidal antisemites to represent them. Hamas has been transparent about their claimed “struggle against the Jews” since day one. The people seem to want this.
The last two times the West had racists in power we got a Civil War and then a World War (the second being directly antisemitic).
The world said “never again”, and then when someone tried it again, they cheered them on.
Israel played a pretty heavy role in the creation of Hamas. It's not that simple. Here
And the Founding Fathers in the United States created the situation of slavery in the South as a power play. Doesn’t make the South any less culpable for their misdeeds.
I see what you're trying to do but that's very much a false equivalence. It's more akin to the US' role in the creation of the Taliban (among many, many other orgs)
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Enlighten me, what similar situations are happening with Israel and Palestine that makes this comparison relevant? The politics and history around slavery in the US are completely different than this
Whites voted to support (wanted) an avowedly racist system. Whites brutalized Blacks—beating them, maiming them, raping them, killing them. War came calling.
Palestinians vote to support (want) an avowedly racist system. Palestinians are brutalizing Jews (and others who happen to be there)—beating them, maiming them, raping them, killing them. War comes calling.
In both cases, the people voted according to their views and values.
It should be noted that even after the War (and we can blame the Republicans for this, the deal that got Rutherford B. Hayes into office ended Reconstruction) these things continued. The KKK is still alive and kicking today. The Union was not without sin in this.
You don’t appease antisemites. Apparently the lesson didn’t stick last time.
Did the South have left-wing, secular parties with popular support that wanted abolition? Did the north actively suppress these parties while funding a group of religious extremists to do their dirty work and then turn on them when the arrangement wasn't convenient to them? Was the north violently oppressing the south for decades before the civil war? Did the north interfere in the elections that lead to the religious extremists gaining control of the south? Are the results of that election hotly contested to this day?
Who do you think ran the Underground Railroad? Harriet Tubman wasn’t alone.
More to the point, the existence of anti-slavery actors in the South did not remove the basis for engaging them in battle.
I suppose I shouldn’t be surprised that in the Third Millennium AD people will still come to the defense of terrorists, but here we are.
I don't see what any of this has to do with what I wrote
So you say that you oppose Israel’s existence itself - the existence as a state, but do not hate Jews in particular, right?
Do you support the existence of an apartheid state? Yes or no answer only.
Completely off-topic, but WABBAJACK!
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Try your derailing somewhere else.
Where did the poster say that?
We all know that I didn't. But they need that for some sort of strawman argument, methinks.
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I know you would love it @rah 😘
You can hate on me all you want - keep it coming.
It’s time that everyone involved realizes that Israel will not disappear. Deal with it.
Both sides must put an end to their hate and quit looking backwards - they must look forward. Of course there is a lot of healing to do and amends to make - and this can be done without alienating each other.