Never thought I would be posting a lemmygrad user here but here we are.
Never thought I would be posting a lemmygrad user here but here we are.
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Not sure where to put this, so I'm putting this here: I am not going to respond further to comments about this as I want to limit the effect this has on my mental state, which is not amazing even not including this. I don't really care what you think about me, I just think killing people for being Nazis if that person did not actively chose to be a Nazi does nothing aside kill a person.
Maybe its because I value rehabilitation over punishment? I don't know and I don't really care.
I don't hold a grudge about anyone here, again I don't really care, aside from the mental drain of arguing on the internet.
Just in case this is incredible ignorance.
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You're doing the Clean Wehrmacht myth, which people would dunk on you for if it were about them.
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It's not even the fucking Wehrmacht. You're doing it for the fucking SS. The ideologically most committed core of nazism. The most loyal and evil fucking footsoldiers.
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The average nazi deserved to be thrown in a pit. The SS deserve much much worse.
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I don't really care what you think about me, I just think killing people for being Nazis if that person did not actively chose to be a Nazi does nothing aside kill a person.
The SS is completely voluntary. It isn't like the Wehrmacht where conscripts went to. To become part of the SS, you had to prove your ancestors up to the 1800, 1750 for officers, weren't Jewish. This is stricter than the rest of Nazi society where the Nuremberg laws were in effect.
Like come on.
Rehabilitation of former SS members.
Retroactive abortion of former SS members.I hope the door smashes your tailbone into a million little pieces on the way out
I appreciate your position and your response even if I think you're wrong. Even then, I don't think you're completely off base. Ideally, this kind of thing needs to be accounted for on a case-by-case basis whenever that's possible. But 99.99% of those cases still deserve the fucking wall. There is a line crossed where if a person consciously chooses to support the things that Nazis support enough to actually become one, coerced or not (and join the SS no less), that person forfeits the same right to life they would deny others and so deserve whatever comes to them as a result, including death, execution.
That said, a lot of people around here have no conception of justice beyond "my side = good and justified no matter what and any killing in support of the revolution is 'good.'" They advocate even for the explicit murder of children (that post is good, but many of the comments are disgusting), completely innocent of any crime, so long as they might be some nebulas potential threat. There is a very gross, anti-humanism streak that a lot of posters around these parts fall victim to, and I hate to see it. I'm glad there are still people here who recognize the gravity of actually executing another human being and are rightly reluctant to just throw caution to the wind and go all in in support. So again, thank you for posting this, and try not to let the cynicism of the frothing "kill 'em all!1!!" contingent get you down.
Wah wah some monarch got shot. Stop wasting tears on royals and ss nazis.
Sorry that "wasting" tears on innocent kids doesn't fit your ideology. It must suck to be so devoid of empathy that you think blowing away children for the crimes of their parents is cool.
Still salty about an old struggle session?
Let it go.
Let's concentrate in this "clean wehrmacht" apologist.
I am still "salty" about all the apologists for killing children around here, especially when a child I loved was actually murdered, something I doubt these apologists have any care about or conception of. I admit, this may be the wrong place to bring it up because fuck the SS, they all get the fucking wall, no question. But the fact that the child-murder advocates like you are coming out of the woodwork to defend their odious, cruel, anti-empathy, anti-human, position is kinda telling.
this may be the wrong place to bring it up because fuck the SS
You said it yourself.
child-murder advocates like you
Where did I advocate to Child-murdering? I point out your "salty-nees" of old struggle sessions when we have another subject at hand, the "clean wehrmacht" apologist.
Maybe you should log-off instead of lashing out at other users.
Where did I advocate to Child-murdering?
You're calling me out for "old struggle sessions" where murdering kids was the topic. Do you admit that killing children is bad, full stop? If so, then I retract my accusation.
Maybe you should log-off instead of lashing out at other users.
um, ok. so maybe should you.
You are showing wrecker behaviour.
Not going to continue this convo.
Bye.
"things I disagree with are wrecker behavior."
I disengaged from the user who acussed me of being a "child-murderer" without knowing my position on the matter.
And you want to keep it going.
Nah. Let's disengage too.
Pd: The Tsar kids should't have been killed.
fuck y'all child murder advocates. Even if I don't believe in an afterlife let alone hell, some people do deserve to burn there.
That includes anyone and everyone who joined the SS, and anyone who shrugs about killing kids as being practical and ok.
I'm disengaging because someone who wasn't even a teen yet in my family who I loved, who is fucking gone now, WAS actually murdered and I can't deal with people thinking that's just fine, "oh well." I used to think hexbear was the last place on the internet that understood, that actually cared about people and their struggles, that actually recognized the necessity of radical empathy. It sucks that so many really don't.
I probably shouldn't have brought it up here, I admit it. It was out of place. But it does still fucking hurt. It always will and I'll never escape it. And for anyone who thinks they've "owned" me or some shit because of that... fuck you. You deserve the wall too.
While it's true that this is something that should be done on a case by case basis, as you pointed out, "99.99% of those cases still deserve the fucking wall". It's a generalization that's true of so many SS members that it's pretty odd that someone would so quickly think "what if this is one of the 0.01% that didn't do horrific things to people?" The case is a lot closer to black and white than the handling of the tzarspawn.
It's not strictly impossible that you are right and this guy is the one good SS member, but it's so implausible that this is just a really weird hill to die on.