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@Fried_out_Kombi The replies from US people in this thread are wild. You're really fucked over there. So much fucked that corporations have convinced you that living in an apartment is synonymous with paying rent. That's insane to me. In every other country I know you can own an apartment just like you can own a house.
In the US, an apartment you own is called a condo.
Came here to say this.
Also I noticed people complaining about noise - but my apartment holds noise in really well. I leave my tv on blast and when I stand outside I can't hear it even though there is a window open.
Also I noticed people complaining about noise - but my apartment holds noise in really well. I leave my tv on blast and when I stand outside I can’t hear it even though there is a window open.
Mine's the opposite.
I can tell when my neighbor is on his treadmill, or when my other neighbors are having sex (and they're not even vocalizing much).
Just depends on the property, and how well it was built.
i invite you to use the word "house" or "apartment" or "dwelling" or "land" instead of "property" in these contexts, to stop doing free PR work for exploitative real estate investors
i invite you to use the word “house” or “apartment” or “dwelling” or “land” instead of “property” in these contexts,
I used to word property as a generic term for any of the types of property one could live in, that you listed.
I'm specifically making the point that it doesn't matter if it's a house, or a condo, or an apartment, it's how well the structure is built that depends on the noise you hear from the adjoining spaces that other people live in.
to stop doing free PR work for exploitative real estate investors
Not everything is a conspiracy, dude/dudette.
how is "property" any more generic than "home" or "dwelling"? and do you not see any additional meanings, beyond "place to live", highlighted in calling it "property"?
They are all real estate properties. You rent or purchase a property. When that word is used for where a person lives long-term it's not potentially meant to denote ownership, but just a place of residence that they spend some of their money to do so.
Honestly not purposely trying to stick a finger in someone's eye over this, that's just the generic term for a place that people live in/at.
I'll tell you what though, next time I'll try to remember the use the word 'residence' instead, though that's not completely accurate either, because somebody could just be living at a friend's place and not spending any money to do so.
thanks for the polite and thoughtful response 💖
I'm sure in the scheme of the world's problems it's a small thing, but I really think it'll be easier to find stable housing for everyone who wants it if we can stop seeing it as primarily a marketable possession 🙏
I’m sure in the scheme of the world’s problems it’s a small thing, but I really think it’ll be easier to find stable housing for everyone who wants it if we can stop seeing it as primarily a marketable possession
A safe and happy living environment for every human being is no small thing, and a worthy goal to strive for.
I lived in an apartment for 3 months and had to tip toe as quietly as humanly possible after 6pm or the person downstairs would bang on the ceiling. And I'm alreat a really quiet person...
A lot of apartments aren't exactly modern. And it doesn't help that people are so eager to call these impractical living spaces "historical".
I hate "historical" building bullshit. I went to go stay in Seattle for a day and a half so I got a room for the night and then the hotel calls me to let me know it's a historical building so they don't have air conditioning.
This was the middle of August so of course I'm like, why did you call me to tell me this instead of listing it on your site you psychos? And the bitch bragged to me about working at a different hotel that charges $600 a room with NO air conditioning.
I couldn't cancel cause they didn't tell me until last minute either.
I don't WANT to own an apartment. I don't WANT to share walls with my neighbors. I want space to work on my hobby projects like with wood and metal. To make noise without upsetting anyone. To have privacy, and the ability to get away from people. I need a shed, a garage, and some yard space. The only way I can swing it is fewer people and more space. Europe is too crowded for that in many places. It sounds unpleasant.
Shared wood/metal project places are awesome. There's someone who maintains everything, and you get much better equipment. It's not terribly expensive (cheaper than owning it all yourself), and can be local if density provides it. Look at places like The Crucible in Oakland (which is more tailored to art) or local trade schools will open their doors
Not here. Got everything you want, it's bliss. Keep struggling, hopefully you get yours. Apartments are hell, I'd rather die than live in one again.
Eats one (1) rotten apple.
"Holy fucking shit?! People like these?! Who normal likes to eat apples jesus christ?!"
Kek. True, apartments isn't for me tho. I'd rather live further from than having people shit above me that isn't family.
What about a makerspace?
I have a shed. I don’t have a garage. I don’t have any more room for any more tools. Most of my tools are things I’ve used for one or two projects and that’s it.
Personally I’d much rather have a maker space that has a tool library so I stop spending so much money on tools that I need for one project. Like a hardwood floor nailer. I’ve got full hardwoods in my house now. Wtf do I need that for? Every time I find out a friend is going to start installing hardwoods, it turns out that they already bought the nailer by the time I found out.
I'm not opposed to it, but there's something nice about having your own workshop. Depends on what you're doing. I also have fewer and worse makerspaces where I am now than places I've lived in the past - it's a crapshoot.
In the US, if you own an apartment it's typically called a condo or townhouse so an apartment usually does indicate that it's a rental. Maybe that's a good indication that these discussions need to change their language when talking to Americans to make sure to include the words condo and townhouse. I live in a condo and the HOA sorta sucks but it has a lot of other advantages and we have a huge yard.
You know what? No. Fuck Americans, I'm going to refer to these as flats and see how that goes.
I agree. I am not sure the entire world needs to change for one country's need to feel better
@lagomorphlecture Ah, thanks. That explains a lot in this thread. But still, living in an apartment can be great. Maybe right now in the US it's hell. But it doesn't have to be that way.
The beautiful thing about America is we have enough space so that you could have the big house on the left AND the beautiful nature on the right at the same time.
The nature is dying gun, thanks to the big houses and the cars they require to get anywhere.
Well, both of the islands in the picture will be underwater no matter what, but I doubt this will affect the nature where I used to live, the extra CO2 will probably be good for the trees.
Owning an apartment room is such a strange and foreign concept to me. This is the first time I've ever heard of such a thing
A condo.