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Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand. In Fountainhead, she goes in depth about how Chinese life expectancy statistics are generally made up.
- Milton Friedman and Ayn Rand
  
  That's incredible, I honestly did not see that one coming.
  
  So tell me, what's your best guess at what Chinese life expectancy was before the CPC came to power, and what do you think it is now? Do you dispute the numbers from before the communists were even in power? Or do you think they're still living in mud huts?
  
  The Fountainhead is a novel about an American architect that has nothing to do with China. They're doing a weird bit, presumably about how evil tankies asking them to read books is cheating.
  
  Yeah I got that, at least after they posted a rickroll. Guess being an idiot is a defense mechanism when they realized they had nothing.
  
  Communism increasing life expectancy!?
  
  Shanghai Stock Exchange: http://english.sse.com.cn/
  
  Beijing Stock Exchange: www.bse.cn
  
  Shenzhen Stock Exchange: https://www.szse.cn/English/index.html
  
  That's more stock exchanges than the US, comrade!
  
  Oh, so you consider Deng's reforms to be right-deviationist? Are you a Maoist, then?
  
  Whether you consider the CPC to be communist or not, the fact still remains that they've made a lot of improvements in the lives of the average Chinese person.
  
  Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened and the whole argument was "look at the improvements only possible under Communism".
  
  How do you say "moving the goalposts" in Mandarin? Actually, no need to answer as you are all ~~suburban~~ petit bourgeois kids from the US.
  
  Deng was alive and well when two of those stock exchanges were opened
  
  That's... what I said? Obviously, Deng was the one who implemented economic reforms, such as opening stock exchanges and allowing foreign investment. Some Maoists consider this to be right-deviationist and counter-revolutionary, and that he should've continued more in line with Mao's policies. That's why I asked if you're a Maoist, since you consider his reforms incompatible with socialism.
  
  I'm not sure who's whole argument was "look at the improvements only possible under Communism." China's conditions were much worse off than places like the US, so obviously it's possible to improve conditions to be better than per-revolutionary China (which is not saying much) without communism. It's just that in China's case, it was the communists that did it.
  
  Mao died in 1976, which is where that life expectancy graph is somewhere in the mid 50s. Super impressive.
  
  Over 60, actually. I think that doubling live expectancy over a single generation is, in fact, pretty impressive.
  
  So I take it you're not a Maoist or a Dengist. Can you tell me who you think should've been in power in China instead? The KMT? You can see how much they did on the graph, if you don't find the CPC's numbers impressive then I'm sure you'd hate them even more. The invading Japanese perhaps? The European colonizers? Or maybe you think the Qing dynasty should never have been overthrown.
  
  Correlation or causation? You know that industrialization increases life expectancy, right?
  
  It's not hard to double your life expectancy when you're starting out with the same life expectancy that existed in the Roman Empire almost 2,000 years prior. Thanks, Mao!
  
  You can laugh, but communist oppression is no laughing matter. Please see this article where Ben Shapiro writes a thesis-level takedown of the mythos of Chinese life expectancy.
  
  Please, I've read that article countless times. Here is a response that breaks down all the flaws in his argument.
  
  No don't bother linking your dumb policies that you guys never abide by.
  
  I'm merely acting reflexively to the behaviors I constantly observe from Hexbear users.
  
  We always abide by the PPB, tyvm!
  
  No, but whenever you guys get "dunked on", you compulsively link to it like a goddamned Manchurian candidate.
  
  I'm just gonna say, if you're still posting rickrolls in 2023, you don't have a lot of room to talk about unoriginal bits.
  
  Ok boomer.
  
  Man, you really didn't like being wrong, huh.
  
  It's impossible to engage in good faith debates with what is essentially the QAnon of the left.
  
  I haven't seen that movie, does a pig shit on its own balls?
  
  Serious question - is that normal for pigs or is something wrong with it?
  
  I believe that's normal for breeding hogs, yes
  
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