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This has to be the most brain dead community on Lemmy, still pulling this “Both sides” bullshit
- I don't know on which community we currently are, but this is the most accurate depiction of what's actually going on. Democrats serve the corporate elite and don't really bother turning it left.
  
  Stop with this braindead serve the elites meme. Dems last admin passed tons of left wing legislation that benefited everyone.
  
  All those left wing policies being implemented like:
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  Is significantly reducing the cost of life saving medicine and giving families $300 a month per kid not left wing policy?
  You're either incredibly uninformed or purposely undermining the left I can't tell which.
  
  the child tax credit only lasted one year, and the cost reduction was only for the elderly
  
  child tax credit only lasted one year
  not true at all
  the cost reduction was only for the elderly
  Not true and even if it was 100% elderly people it is still a bill that grants significantly cheaper drugs for 65million people of a demographic that is the most in need of perscription medication. Which is a objectively a good bill and furthers left wing ideals. If you dont agree I genuinely dont believe you are on the left since you actively want a worse world.
  Are you getting your info from google AI summaries, im genuinely curious how you are so confidently wrong.
  
  It should be free. Don't charge for life saving medicine.
  
  It should be, but Americans still dont want universal healthcare. The last polling I saw had it at just over 50% supporting Universal healthcare. If you want to implement a huge change like universal healthcare you probably want to have at least 70% of the people on board. Otherwise you implement it and half the country tries to drag it down and make it unusable. Look at how the right wing in the UK is trying to destroy their national healthcare system.
  
  What an unsalvageable country
  
  Not at all. Making families buy life-saving medicine, at whatever price, is in fact the opposite of left-wing policy. Universal, single-payer health care is just centrist policy in many countries.
  
  The extra $300 per month would be a better argument if they tried to keep it going instead of letting it lapse...
  
  Its ending under trump. The 1 year of significantly boosted CTC was government assistance given to people. The right wing version of that would have been tax cuts for business. Could he have passed legislation that kept ctc at that amount, probably not and it would likely be repealed by Trump. Just because something could be better doesn't mean it isn't good. If you use "it could be better" as an justification for something being bad then people can say the same thing about things you mention. Oh yeah he passed boosted CTC forever well he should have increased it more, he should have given to to all families, he should just give that money to everyone. Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
  
  It ended under Biden along with most of the benefit increases we got because of covid. It was bad enough to have a massive spike in child poverty after decreasing.
  https://www.cbpp.org/research/poverty-and-inequality/expiration-of-pandemic-relief-led-to-record-increases-in-poverty
  Lets be realistic instead of delusional so things in the real world can actually get better.
  Except that's not at all the case
  
  Intersting, I do not remember any means of production being turned over to the workers? I dont remember a law passed to remove the scehdual F capabilities, I do not remember stuffing the supreme court in retaliation for Roe being overturned. Heck I do not even remember stufing the Postal board of governors so full that it would fire DeJoy and ensure a reasonable PMG for over a decade... Please enlighten me, what left wing actions must I look at
  
  I said left not commie.
  
  Ah the liberal version of left where more neolib = more left. I mean thats a correct interpretation too thats how it was used originally
  
  Other than the first one none of those are communist. As for left there is nothing more left than communist, it can be argued, and I would be one that unless you are willing to give the workers the means of production, you cannot be left.
  
  Yes but the rest are pointless since saying they passed a ton of left wing legislation isnt countered by listing random events that they didnt do.
  We can go through all the events if you want. Schedule F was removed via EO on day 3 by biden and two house bills were drafted, one to remove the Schedule F workers that were classified and after that failed another was drafted to try and protect the workers who were reclassified by trump.
  Packing the court out of retaliation is bad and every attempt in recent history has failed and I cant be fucked researching 'stuffing the postal board of governors" so you can have that. Dam I guess dems passed no left wing policy because they didnt stuff the postal board of governors.
  If you don't like that party isnt 100% behind every single thing then the thing to do is focus on getting candiates you like in the states that have shit dems instead of trying to sink the entire party. If you sink the entire party you dont end up with more left wing legislation you end up with more right wing legislation.
  The options you then present are basically "Every option is shit, vote for this option that doesnt exist and is unpopular with majority of the country"
  
  them billions to israel surely benefited everyone
  
  Genocide apologist
  
  Yeah, Trump really was the better option for Gaza. Palestinians are so lucky to brave supporters like you fighting the American left and Israeli left on their behalf. Remember its the thought that counts, not the outcomes.
  
  Trump's brief, half-hearted ceasefire was already more than Democrats did.
  And I take it from your claim that the Biden admin "benifited everyone" that you don't see Palestinians as human in the first place
  
  Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin. Secondly when you're talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens. Now that I known the error of my ways I'll make sure to scream "what about Palestinians" when I hear someone refer to everyone.
  
  Firstly that ceasefire was negotiated by biden admin
  Nope, now you're just straight up lying to defend genocide. You're more of a scumbag than any MAGA chud.
  Secondly when you’re talking about a government benefiting everyone its pretty obviously meaning their own citizens.
  If you're a fascist. Which I'm gathering you are.
  Now that I known the error of my ways I’ll make sure to scream “what about Palestinians” when I hear someone refer to everyone.
  Shitlibs will always throw a tantrum when you tell them that non-white foreigners are human.
  
  ...such as?
  
  8 billions to israel! oh wait that is neither "leftwing" nor it benefits anyone but zionists
  
  Nope
  
  You aren’t wrong in that the democrats prefer the status quo but it’s far from both sides being the same. If we have to pick a side, and if we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
  Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it. For example, Ranked choice voting would be great, but let’s get more states to use it before expecting the highest office in the land to adopt it.
  
  pro democracy
  one correct choice
  Pick one.
  
  we are still pro democracy, we do, there is only one correct choice.
  Western "democracy" in a nutshell. Catch-22 could only dream of such absurdity.
  
  Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
  What if Democrats not only don't change the rules to improve the democratic process, but they also fail to even talk about significantly improving their constituents' lives? What if they also can't be bothered to take climate change seriously? And what if -- after all that -- they do genocide?
  I used to think like you do, but at some point in the last decade or two Democrats stopped being a worthwhile option. The party will have to be either radically changed or smashed in order for any major progress to happen anytime soon.
  
  Now if we can convince that side to then use the victory to change the rules, then so be it.
  The democrats are only in power for at most two years, and that's assuming there's no quislings like Lieberman or Fetterman or Manchin or Sinema in them. So they've barely got enough votes to move the needle on anything, and voting is low on the priority list.
  And after two years the Republicans win one or both houses of Congress and maybe the presidency, and then undo everything.
  This has been repeating my entire life, and now it's getting to the fascist endgame.
  The system itself is broken and failing. It's not going to help us.
- Look at this guy, believing there's actually 2 sides
- The most braindead instance is still .world. It's basically reddit in a nutshell
- Welcome to .ml, you'll get the jokes now.
- You might not have noticed but 90% of these posts come from the same user

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