Chuckles the Clown strikes again

I thought FUD was a cryptobro term.

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I've been really badly tempted to post this to meanwhileongrad or something as an example of lemmy.ml critical thinking. There's no "even if someone did switch it in the heat of the moment" about it. There's no paranoia. It's what happened. I'm not especially bothered, but it is absolutely not deniable.
I sent you the timestamp of the last comment mid-argument that got federated to me. You can check the two comments sections. You can look at archive.org from October 24, with ponder.cat on the allowlist. Then look at archive.org from November, with it switched to rss.ponder.cat. Look at the comments sections on the two instances.
Or, don't, and just persist in whatever interpretation is most preferential to your friends and allies and willfully ignore any evidence to the contrary and call it "paranoia." I think if that is your MO then I will feel comfortable just exiting, and letting you think whatever you think about reality. It's clearly not productive for me to try to tell you anything if you're having this much trouble in absorbing this much. Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I'm not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
Regardless: Like I say I would really recommend that you examine this closely, look over what I sent and ponder on it and rethink it through. There are other areas that you are missing in the same way, without the luck of having crystal-clear objective evidence for them that's easy to check.
- Thank for you apologizing for the death threat I guess, I appreciate it. I will say also, I was definitely being a smug cockhead in the comments. I get why there was no friendly reception and I’m not happy reading my own conduct from back then.
  thanks for owning up to it, I've tried to dial my own behavior back a lot since landing here too.
  I could use some clarification:
  can you explain why they would change it to RSS instead of just deleting it? like what's the benefit?
  
  I have no idea. That's what they did though.
  
  So my orientation isn't generally to just assume bad faith from everyone, you can take that to be willful ignorance, but it's also just an understanding that people can do impulsive things or make mistakes without it being a complete indictment of everyone they even associate with.
  I'm not involved with maintaining any block/allow lists on any lemmy so I have no idea how it's handled.
  As it stand looks like it's working now, with allow list, I navigated to https://hexbear.net/c/diy_streams@rss.ponder.cat and it was initially empty, but eventually populated.
  I really don't see the motive, I did see that it switched from ponder.cat to rss.ponder.cat sometime between 10/24/24 and 11/11/24, I don't see why they wouldn't just ban you and defederate if there was some censorship goal.
  When I navigate to through another instance to ponder.cat it also shows up as (community)@rss.ponder.cat, which is why it seems odd and unintuitive that it only works with ponder.cat rather than rss.ponder.cat in the linked instances list.
  I don't have any extra information, if this behavior that seems unintuitive is common knowledge maybe then it could be construed as retaliation, but to me it looks like a misunderstanding/configuration issue is at least as likely a culprit.
  
  So my orientation isn’t generally to just assume bad faith from everyone, you can take that to be willful ignorance, but it’s also just an understanding that people can do impulsive things or make mistakes without it being a complete indictment of everyone they even associate with.
  I never said bad faith. I literally just described what happened: I came in, disagreed with them, and then I described the reaction I got.
  I do think you could draw a conclusion of a certain type of mentality from that reaction, although looking back I can see a lot of hostility on my side, so I kind of get it. But all we've been talking about now in these 7 different messages I have sent you about it is the simple reality facts of what happened. That has to be the starting point before anyone makes any kind of judgement built on it. I sent you proof, links, all kinds of stuff, and you're still up to right now coming with "looks like a misunderstanding" "if there was some censorship goal" and so on.
  I'm not assuming bad faith. I'm describing what happened. I'm not saying it's an indictment of everyone. We're just talking about what happened.
  To me, it looks like what you're doing is the converse of what you say: You're bending over backwards like Professor Farnsworth to try to assume good faith, even refusing to accept or examine clear convincing evidence, or say "well both sides" or try to come up with reasons why it must probably be some other way.
  I also notice that you're extremely eager to assume bad faith from lemmy.world. You said they said to shut up about Palestine. I can absolutely guarantee that they said no such thing (or at least 99% of them said no such thing, I won't swear for every single user). You keep saying you're "paraphrasing" or that "You guys have already demonstrated what you believe" when someone's trying to explain that they believe no such thing. You will not accept any kind of thing that illustrates good faith. After all, they already demonstrated what they believe.
  The reason I'm making a big deal about this is that, for as long as you simply want to cling to your preferred version of events, so that you can "assume good faith" when in other contexts you go hard hard hard in the other direction, I don't see much point in talking to you about any more complex topics.
  Some people get endless good faith. You must have misunderstood. Out of context. Well look at what these other people did. I'm not sure I believe that source.
  Some other people get absolutely no good faith, in fact you already know the truth about them, they've already revealed what they believe, so your viewpoint's not going to change.
  Like I say: Waste of time. Trying to build a more complex discussion in the face of that type of approach is going to take way more than 7 messages, and you probably still will cling to your preferred preexisting interpretation, so oh well.
  Edit: Also, what are you talking about with rss.ponder.cat versus ponder.cat? They're just two different instances with totally different communities, I have no idea about links to one being going to the other or anything like that. I don't think that is happening. Can you show me which page you're looking at, and which link someone might click that leads to the wrong one of them or etc? It might be a bug or something but I have never seen that behavior and it shouldn't be that way.
  
  Rss.ponder.cat is for only the bot-fed communities of RSS feeds, segregated off so that it's easier for people to block if they feel like it's spammy and want no part of it. Ponder.cat is for the humans.
  https://rss.ponder.cat/post/1454
  
  I'm not really familiar with the difference between rss.ponder.cat and ponder.cat. I was not even aware that they were different communities. I'm not a developer for this.
  I'm not disputing that it looks like it could be retaliation, like someone with access just making the change because you were annoying, but I still don't understand why they wouldn't just ban your account like everyone else.
  edit:
  I also notice that you’re extremely eager to assume bad faith from lemmy.world.
  I'll routinely run into misogynist and ablest insults whenever I voice my opinion in those spaces. The egregious stuff gets cleaned up, but it is still there. I have run into some perfectly nice people who happen to post there, but if you're someone who doesn't 100% tow the line it's fair game for shitty behavior. It's ironic because that's what you've been pointing out as the issue with my/our behavior, but you're not willing to see it the other direction. I'm replying to a local on this very thread whose position is apparently that all who 'support authoritarianism' are roaches, which he goes on to identify as ethnic russians and 'tankies'. I'm an anarchist, I organize with anarchists, but apparently holding wrongthink is enough to be a roach
  
  This kind of behavior lying just below the surface tends to have me put my guard up when I'm in a space.
  
  Update: They've now banned me again. This time with an explicit user ban instead of the behind-the-scenes defederation.
  https://sh.itjust.works/post/36467434
  
  Христос воскрес!
  I'll take a look.
  
  Воистину воскрес

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