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  • why are you saying I'm wrong?

    I haven't said that.

    this:

    Your answer is limited to parents only.

    Is completely wrong.

    You said "your kids".

    Children of which were the best example. However, any human can be your family. Adoption, Friendship, ...

    You didn't say any of that. In fact, your comment didn't contain the word "family" once. You've changed your tune.

    Regardless:

    and improves of our own futures and that of our families

    Why does one have a duty to improve one's own future or the future of one's family?

    • You didn't say any of that.

      That's what my second comment saying just that was for.

      You didn't understand my original point (and still don't).

      Which is why I made a second comment explaining that you can ctrl+F for "children" and replace it with "family" to better understand my point.

      The answer to your question can be found in multitudes of philosophy, ethics, and biology books. I encourage you to read them instead of trolling here for the sake of your own ego.

      Because this question of yours:

      Why does one have a duty to improve one's own future or the future of one's family?

      Has an obvious answer. One that you can reach by asking similarly obvious questions.

      "Why does one have a duty to eat?"

      Or breath?

      Or sleep?

      Survival. That's why. Without eating, sleeping, or breathing you die. Without a community to help provide security for these things, you also die. (Unless you want to tell me humans aged 0-8 are expected to survive if yeeted into the wild? I sincerely doubt you would too despite being older)

      Survival is a BIOS level operating function of everything living.

      And the same point I first made along with everyone else that you will continue to ignore.

      So it's not so much a "duty," as a biological compulsion similar to being hungry. Making us all want to survive, and eventually thrive for a happy life. And the only way that happens is if we work to maintain or improve our environment. (Like eating when you're hungry). Our own biology pushes us to do that through internal reward mechanisms that spiral out into a feedback loop of prosperity. Like when you body tells you something tastes good, and you want to share that taste with a friend.

      Your question implies an unsaid argument that is essentially the fast food equivalent of nihilism. That humans don't matter, and our lives are meaningless.

      No offense, but you are either too young or too far up your own ass if you think you're on to anything new with your question. It's been answered hundreds of times throughout history by people far smarter than us, and I'm not going to hold your hand through understanding something you are clearing saying just because you want to feel special when saying it rather than learn an actual answer.

      If you want to feel that life is meaningless, go right ahead. But stop pretending that you can't give it meaning yourself. I've given you the basic biological one, you're gonna have to open a book if you want the rest.

      • it's not so much a "duty,"

        All of:

        1. the statement in the posted article
        2. my question about that statement
        3. the response to my question
        4. my response which you originally replied to
        5. my question, which you quoted in the comment I'm replying to here

        were about duty.

        Whatever you're talking about, it isn't an answer to any of my questions because you're not talking about duty.

        • The definition of "duty" fits my point perfectly, unless you want to explain it how it doesn't.

          • Firstly, you haven't given a definition of "duty".

            Secondly, you just said it's not a duty, now you're saying it is a duty. Please sort your shit out.

            • Second definition from Google / dictionary:

              Duty - a task or action that someone is required to perform.

              "the queen's official duties"

              Or in the way I used it:

              The "human biological duties" we all have specifically required for human survival.

              You brought up the importance of "duty" and how it's something my point didn't fit, but the responsibility of defining it was up to you. Yet you failed to provide a definition, just like you've failed to say literally anything this whole conversation.

              I knew you'd fail to define "duty" which would allow me to provide it in turn and fully prove my point. Which I just did.

              So now you're fucked.

              You're clearly incapable of admitting fault, listening, or forming a coherent concept that isn't just your opinion disguised as questions.

              All you can do now is split hairs (look that one up yourself) so your next response will be to move the goalposts of your question somewhere else you feel you can still be right.

              Lemme guess - another definition of duty? Maybe a weaker one you will claim you really meant, but clearly just failed to provide in the first place and now are just scrambling back to?

              Or, you really are just a boring troll who gives zero fucks and will now say your question has nothing to do with duty after forgetting how hard you just really went in on that being the key part of the argument you never made.

              There's another option you could take: Your question has been answered in full.

              Which is very much what a reasonable person would do at this point. But it's pretty clear that's not what this conversation is actually about for you anymore.

              • a task or action that someone is required to perform

                This I can understand.

                "human biological duties"

                This, which you've made up, I don't understand. It doesn't make sense to me. "Biological duties" seems like a contradiction in terms. In fact it sounds ridiculous. And there's no logical connection between the definition of "duty" you gave above and this undefined term "human biological duties" which you've introduced. If it's in line with your previous expositions about family, then it is in fact distinct from the definition of "duty" you gave and incoherent.

                Regardless, whatever it is you're talking about doesn't seem like what the authors of the article were talking about or what I was asking about. So again, consistently, it seems like we're talking about different things. In fact it's looking more and more like you're just reaching and trying to shoe-horn the subject that you want to talk about into this discussion.

                • Analogy:

                  a comparison between two things, typically for the purpose of explanation or clarification.

                  My first attempt at explaining "biological duty" was through an analogy.

                  Breathing. Shitting. Pretty obvious tasks your body has a "biological duty" to perform without your consent if you are to survive.

                  If your heart stops beating, you die If you don't breath, you die.

                  Are you personally choosing to make your body do these things at all times?

                  No. Your body is doing it for you (regrettably).

                  Why is your body doing that?

                  My answer: It's because our genetic code evolved to have a duty to preserve our existence.

                  You answer: shrug emoji

                  If you want to insist that you can't understand what I mean when I say "biological duty" then you're gonna have to explain how your heart beats without you thinking about it.

                  Because frankly, at this point, I'd love for you to be right about me making up "biological duty" when it comes to your body and the heart that keeps it going.

                  Whether you want it to or not, your body is forcing you to preserve yourself. Which is a basic concept in biology, and readily observable in all living things if you ever bothered to go outside.

                  First result from Google:

                  "biological duty" refers to the inherent functions or purposes that living organisms are considered to have, often relating to their SURVIVAL and reproduction.

                  So to put it all back in context for you to obstinately refuse to consider:

                  You aren't the reason your heart beats. You aren't the reason you get hungry. You aren't the reason you feel lonely.

                  That's your body.

                  It does its own thing to guarantee your survival. Whether you want it to or not. Which is why it's considered a "duty." In the biology books I previously mentioned you need to read, this is defined as your bodies "biological duty" of self preservation.

                  All humans have it. Whether you understand it or not, you have it too.

                  It forces you to eat. It forces you to breath. It forces you to sleep. But more importantly, it forces you to build an environment where you can obtain these things in the future too.

                  Birds build nests. Beavers build dams. Humans build small familial communities.

                  These provide you with food when your body can't. These provide you with a place to sleep if you have none.

                  Ever feel lonely? Yeah, that's your bodies way of telling you you're "hungry" for socialization. Socialization that when developed enough, can provide you reproductive options, and food / shelter security.

                  Your body wants you to meet other humans to guarantee your survival. Your body wants you to help these people as that both increase your chances they will help you survive, and bonus, releases a fuck load of dopamine to make you feel good.

                  So:

                  Everyones bodies, regardless of their control over it, compels them to survive and to help other humans due the same - which over time, creates groups of people helping each other mutually beyond what they are capable of providing themselves. This grouping can be a family, or any other grouping of humans as I previously mentioned.

                  At scale, this means all humans are working to benefit themselves and others. Which in turn benefits the species as a whole.

                  So if you are human, your DNA is literally programmed with an unavoidable duty to preserve you and other humans as far as it possibly can.

                  If you occupy a human body, then that body is programmed with a biological duty to preserve you and other humans.

                  Unless you are:

                  A) Depressed B) Sociopath C) Sourrounded by wealth C) Not human

                  This is the same answer I've always provided. It is a very simple and widely accepted answer to the questions you have asked.

                  If you want an answer, you now have one.

                  But you don't want an answer. You just want to feel special about something ignorant you thought of, never defined, never researched, and now clearly can't back down from.

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