Banned from Europe@Feddit.Org for calling out Zionist German pro-genocide propaganda.

I made a post about the Europeans who are being deported from Germany for being anti-genocide. https://lemmy.ml/post/28407953

A user repeated the now many times debunked lie that these victims facing deportation were "violent racist rioters". Blatant German propaganda, made up to smear opposition to the genocide in Palestine. Which Germany supplies 30% of the weapons for.

After calling them, and a few other users out for repeating the same lie, the moderators banned me.

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I’d say BPR. I think you’re largely correct on the facts but you need to be able to express them without insulting a large portion of the community you’re in, or you can expect to be banned. I understand you probably think this is a uniquely horrible circumstance that rises above such ideas of decorum but that’s obviously not how people who disagree with you will see it.
So, I’d advise you to think harder before commenting because you’ll be a lot more effective in getting the facts out there if you do.
- I would only be insulting a large portion of a community if they identify with the pro-genocide propaganda. Which they seem to do, and that is the real problem.
  Many people complain about bans from .ml for sinophobia. Occasionally I agree that the moderators are tad too trigger happy on liberals.
  However let's imagine that my comment was about Russia. And I was "debunking Russian propaganda" on ml, would people still say that I should have also cared more about the feelings of the users which might feel insulted by a plain truth?
  
  This is going a bit off topic but you obviously haven’t looked very much at the bannings on ML if you think this is in any way comparable.
  A frank discussion of certain facts around China or its leadership is automatically labeled “sinophobia” on .ml, and immediately results in an instance-wide banned. I was banned for referring to historical China (before the revolution even) as an empire. Explain how that’s sinophobic if you think it is.
  You called people racist idiots and Nazis for supporting certain politicians. That goes beyond just stating the facts.
  I personally don’t usually support bannings and think comment removal is a better option in most cases. But if you got banned for calling most Russians racist idiots and Nazis then I don’t think that would be too problematic.
  China would be a better comparison though since they are materially supporting mass-murder but not directly doing it (at least not outside their borders). Russia is more akin to Israel in this example.
  
  I see are two common reasons people catch bans. The first one is repeating Western propaganda from bad sources such as Radio Free Asia which gets almost all its funding from USAID and will write any slander against US enemies.
  A second is using orientalist language which was made up by the West to demonize its opponents. Spamming the word "terrorist" for Hamas comes to mind when it is not even classified as a terror organisation by the UN (because it's not).
  The orientalist one is a bit harder to understand even for me as many terms which are considered common tongue in the West are off limits and you don't really know which. I do think the admins can be too trigger happy on this one.
  The reason the comparison to Germany doesnt go up is because Germany called itself Nazis and their Nazi past is very comparable to their present. Locking two million people in a concentration camp and starving them to death is far beyond the war crimes committed by Russia.
  What would be offensive is me going into the Ukraine community and calling everything Nazis because of Azov existing. Because the Ukrainians are not trying to actively exterminate all Russians. Whereas the Germans are actively trying to exterminate all Palestinians.
  
  You're funny, .ml bans everyone, even communists, if they don't support their Stalinist authoritarian version of it. You can be as friendly and toned down as you want, they'll still ban you.
  You picked the wrong comparison my guy.
  
  That is strange because I have criticized Russia plenty of times without getting banned.

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