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Tim Walz says ‘we wouldn’t be in this mess’ if it wasn’t for him and Harris

www.huffpost.com Tim Walz Says 'We Wouldn't Be In This Mess' If It Wasn't For Him And Harris

The former vice presidential nominee offered a blunt mea culpa on MSNBC.

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Former vice presidential nominee Tim Walz criticized Trump for economic chaos while taking personal responsibility for the situation during an MSNBC interview.

"We wouldn't be in this mess if we'd have won the election — and we didn't," Walz told Chris Hayes. He called Trump the "worst possible business executive" and praised the Wall Street Journal's editorial criticizing Trump's tariff war.

Walz emphasized Democrats must offer something better, not just criticize Trump. Recently, he acknowledged a leadership void in the Democratic Party and admitted spending too much time combatting Trump's false claims about immigrants.

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Like I said: The head nerds at the DNC picked her.
- yes, but those head nerds were elected by the primary voters.
  
  The primary voters voted for Biden tho
  
  Yeah and then he dropped out when the voters lost faith in him. And the people that hate been voted to represent the voters at the convention went on to vote for their pledged candidates existing understudy. I'm not saying Biden voters voted for Harris, I'm just refuting your claim that "nobody voted for Harris." The DNC still had a convention where the delegates who voted were the ones sent to the convention by the primary voters, and the delegates voted for the endorsee of the candidate they were pledged to. I'm not saying you should be happy with it. I'm just saying you should be armed with facts instead of hyperbole.
  
  They could have had an actual election at the convention instead of just anointing someone who wasn’t even running in the primary.
  And the electors are basically low tier nerds who did the bidding of the head nerds and didn’t have an actual vote, or give it to the second place finisher.
  They just assumed that everyone would be okay with it because the DNC is a private organization that can do whatever they want. They don’t have to care what voters think.
  
  Dude, give it up. You're arguing with someone who thinks that the democrats run fair primaries.
  
  It’s like telemarketers: I’m bored and the longer they’re arguing with me the less harm they can do elsewhere.
  
  I didn't say that. I said they had primaries (which I learned Florida and Delaware did not), challengers could run, and delegates voted for Harris. All of those things are true. What is also true but I didn't mention is challengers were still able to declare ahead of the convention after Biden dropped out (correct me if I'm wrong but I believe some did).
  The problem was that there were no better candidates to vote for. Which is the fault of the candidates who could have run but didn't. I'm not blaming the voters for candidates not running. An incumbent dropping out after winning the primaries is unprecedented. An expectation of organizing a second primary is just unrealistic.
  
  Arguing with you is pointless for the reason I mentioned.
  
  They could have had an actual election at the convention instead of just anointing someone who wasn’t even running in the primary.
  I'm assuming you mean having all the primary voters vote again. Sure that would have been great but I think the logistics of it make it a non-starter. There was only a month between Biden dropping out and the convention. Are you going to limit it to just the voters who voted in the first primary (which is actually the law in my state)? I would expect law suits of this happened, and probably law suits of it didn't, too. There were only about 30 days between Biden dropping out and the start of the convention. How are you going to organize and execute that in 30 days?
  And the electors are basically low tier nerds who did the bidding of the head nerds and didn’t have an actual vote, or give it to the second place finisher.
  The delegates were pledged to the candidate who won the primary in their state. Second place was Uncommitted. Third (Phillips) and fourth (Palmer) place dropped out (which against goes back to the logistics of having a second primary). The convention was open to new candidates to declare, and they did, and Kamala won the vote at the convention.
  They just assumed that everyone would be okay with it because the DNC is a private organization that can do whatever they want. They don’t have to care what voters think.
  This was an unprecedented situation where you essentially had no primary candidates left in the race after the primary. There was no possible outcome where everyone would be happy.
  
  "3 paragraphs is too much for me to read"
  The dnc sucks but c'mon, are you illiterate?
  
  I was bored and drunk and you’re taking my shitposting way too seriously

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