Judges Are Being Intimidated
The right understands that might equals right. They're using citizen intimidation to steer judges towards rulings they want. This tactic will likely be more effective than boycotts and peaceful demonstrations. Learn something, people.
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When we say liberals are do nothings and blame you guys in part for the things your country does, this is what we are talking about. The right wing citizenry in your country actively does shit to push their political agenda constantly. Meanwhile you guys just argue about the validity of “vote blue no matter who” on the internet and stick up for democratic politicians who are themselves, at best, doing absolutely fuck all.
Because those of us who lean left and want to bring the fight to the spineless right are silenced on Lemmy unless these topics come up on servers that don't remove right wing rhetoric from the left. The problem is that the bulk of moderation understands that the right will talk the talk but rarely walk the walk so they get away with it. But when the left gets upset they only complain about procedure and all the laws that the right ignores so if violence comes up it gets silenced.
The venues are the problem. Having moderators like Jordan Lund helping the right by silencing the left is why. The world is unjust as a baseline. The left has to work so much against the current because they have to work against the right AND the neoliberal left.
Believe me, I wish the right would be scared of what kind of rhetoric they are engendering from their opponents but we simply aren't allowed without committing actual violence. And then the rhetoric becomes threats and silenced. That's why the right just trolls and makes spineless threats - they don't act on them so they get away with it.
One major issue with this: The left and right are fighting for different things.
The far right would ultimately like a military dictatorship of sorts. In order to pull this off in a way the majority of the public would accept, they need people to be afraid, to have violent enemies that can only be defeated with organized military force.
The left, on the other hand, is fighting for civilian rule. This is based on the idea that laws need to apply to everyone, and that military force should not be used to suppress the public at large. In order to pull this off, it must be true that military force applied domestically is not actually necessary to have a functioning society.
Because these goals are fundamentally different, the methods of accomplishing them become different by necessity. Some methods strengthen and empower the goals of the right, other methods strengthen and empower the left. These are distinct, and it's very important not to be manipulated into playing into the hands of your opponent.
This is well articulated. Like many, I am also frustrated by the "They go low, we go high" strategy in which Democrat politicians hamstring themselves, but on the wider scale, it is useful to bear in mind that we are fighting for a fundamentally different world than what our opponents are (though certainly it would be great if elected officials could be a little less pathetic)
ugh. jordan lund is the absolute worst. the fact that his profile pic had a chaotic good t shirt is beyond a slap in the face. we need the addresses of everyone who tries to obstruct.
I'm not sure what you're talking about. I see comments about Musk and Trump being "taken care of" in basically every post mentioning them.
They aren't direct calls to action, but the discussion of using violence to solve the problem is definitely ongoing and not being heavily censored.
You're exactly right. I still say vote blue no matter who when a republican is the alternative (it is a war after all), but I do think we can do better at picking our candidates in the primaries.
I am absolutely not talking about just “picking better candidates in the primaries.” How did you so comically miss my point entirely?
Look if we just sit back, we can vote again in 4 years and it’ll be fine. What do you mean they’ve made it harder to vote and gerrymandered my district?
Lol how did you miss your own point so comically?
You: liberals don’t get anything done they just squabble and their candidates don’t do shit
Them: you’re right we need to get our shit together and pick better candidates who will stop squabbling and get shit done.
You: nO nOt lIkE tHaT!!
Because you have to do shit besides just trying to pick better candidates with votes. Just waiting to vote is the issue.
i didn't miss your naive ideological wish, but, because i'm a grown adult who's been watching the political game for the last 30 years, i realize that third party candidates have no practical chance and i don't want to hand another election to republicans.
i'm sorry you don't understand american politics but you really should try harder before you spread more harmful disinformation.
let's just agree one the one thing that really matters: guns.
He wasn't saying to vote third party. He was saying progressive people need to get out and get in the face of office holders, threaten them with personal violence if necessary, for going along with fascist bullshit and trampling on the rights of the helpless.
He was saying that voting is bullshit. That phone calls & letters to representatives are a little, and getting out on the street matters. Especially if your representative is the other party.
oh my bad. absolutely agree. however, voting is still important in addition to all that. it's a war. we have to use every tactic available.
I love your username by the way.
Yeah but voting is one day every four years. Yeah you should do it. But obviously it can’t be the only thing you do if you actually want to achieve anything politically. And if you act like it’s the only thing, or even the most important thing, you’re fucking up your country. Full stop.
Yes, exactly, thank you. I thought I put it pretty plainly but I guess it needed further explaining.
I think it would be more appropriate to say you're voting anti-fascism. It just so happens that blue is the only legitimate option that's anti-fascism.