Will Luigi Mangione be bailed out?
Will Luigi Mangione be bailed out?
As a British lad, I've been keeping tabs on the news about this guy and the wide support he's getting.
With so much support, surely the public will get him out of jail just to spite the bastard rich kids and their CEO baron fathers?
The Man who was shot allowed a massive corporation to dangle its strings over people's lives, medication being pulled away which is horrifying to me who uses the NHS as my primary medical service for hearing.
What do you think? Will Luigi "The CEO Reaper" Mangione ever get out of prison?
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on the wishful thinking side, biden pardons. also wishful: innocent until proven guilty, and that the evidence was planted.
but yeah, we will just have to wait on how the proceedings go. UHC has already flexed money in subduing luigi awareness merch.
They won't have even decided if these are state or federal charges by the time Biden is out of office. And if he's pardoned on the federal charges, the state can still charge him
I think he's going to get state charges for murder, that would be the normal thing.
There is an open legal question about what happens if he has done something that could be a crime under both federal and state, because double jeopardy says he can't be tried twice for the same crime. So if the feds brought charges and then he got pardoned, I don't think the state can bring relatively identical charges, but apparently this is a question that legal scholars don't know the answer to, and it would probably end up going to the appeals court if it were to happen.
Of course it's not going to happen because Biden likes those rich assholes and the timing doesn't really make sense anyway.
It's not double jeopardy to be tried for the same crime in two jurisdictions.
There is an open legal question about what happens if he has done something that could be a crime under both federal and state, because double jeopardy says he can’t be tried twice for the same crime.
Read about Dual Sovereignty: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause#Dual_sovereignty_doctrine
Basically, the Federal government and State government(s) are different Sovereign entities, both can charge for the same crime, and hold separate trials. "No Double Jeopardy" clause doesn't apply here. Even if Luigi were acquitted/pardoned by either the Federal or State government, the other can still try the case for the same crime. It's already an established legal precedent.
good point about the separation of federal and state charges.
oh well, that's how far that wishful thinking goes.
Unless I’m missing something, the charges have already been made and he’s given his plea. It’s federal charges (terrorism) and it’s my understanding that the state couldn’t then charge him over the same crime, only other crimes that were significantly different.
state couldn’t then charge him over the same crime
Google "Dual Sovereignty"
(Edit: Wikipedia article here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Jeopardy_Clause#Dual_sovereignty_doctrine)
Even if he gets acquitted/pardoned in either the state or federal, the other can still try the case.
It's both state and federal charges; the terrorism charge is a state one
I'm basing this 0on the video of his lawyer yesterday, saying that the state and feds are fighting over him like a football. Maybe it's been resolved since then.
Wishful thinking would be if the killer struck again while Luigi was in jail.
good wishful thinking. very wishful enough!
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years (who could have guessed) so I guess you’d have to hope his team of DNC operatives would pardon; which will not happen.
They’re mostly just pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks, while revoking student debt cancellation.
You know, pulling the mask off since nothing matters anymore.
pardoning people who defrauded Medicaid and put kids in to private prisons for kickbacks
He didn't aim to pardon them specifically. They belonged to a class of offenses he pardoned. Just like he pardoned weed possessors. They were surely scumbags on that list as well.
Revoking student loan debt relief was the SCs fault, not Biden's.
Biden wouldn't do a pardon. If his staff (who are probably filled with establishment democrats) found out he was planning to, they'd make Kamala 25th him before he ever gets a chance to sign the paper.
Thanks for the input. Yeah, DNC is just how DNC rolls.
Apparently Biden’s been running on like one cylinder for the last 3 years
All eight cylinders fired just fine when it came to pardoning his crackhead son.