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Keith Ellison becomes latest Democrat to attack Dr. Jill Stein and the Green Party

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  • What misinformation am I spreading?

    For one, you claim that Democrats are angry or worried about the Green Party and you KNOW (because I and many Many people have proven this to you beyond the point of rational disagreement) they aren't. What they are worried or angry about is the danger of the spoiler effect of these BS 3rd party candidates, with zero chance of winning the presidency, causing the Republicans to win despite almost nobody in these conversations wanting that at all.

    You've blatantly said you do not care about the spoiler effect and the only reason someone with your alleged intentions wouldn't care about increasing the chances of Trump winning is if that was what your real goal was.

    • For one, you claim that Democrats are angry or worried about the Green Party and you KNOW (because I and many Many people have proven this to you beyond the point of rational disagreement) they aren’t.

      If they're not angry or worried, then why is there such a strong reaction when I post news about the Green Party? Why go to such lengths to remove them from the ballot? It seems like there's a lot of effort being made for something they're supposedly unconcerned about.

      What they are worried or angry about is the danger of the spoiler effect of these BS 3rd party candidates

      So, they are worried and angry about the Green Party, just for different reasons. That seems to contradict what you just said.

      the only reason someone with your alleged intentions wouldn’t care about increasing the chances of Trump winning is if that was what your real goal was.

      The Trump accusation is not only incorrect but painfully unoriginal. The real threat is the Duopoly and capitalism. Whether it’s Trump or Harris, both serve the same ruling class keeping workers down.

      If you think I'm voting for Trump, then you haven't noticed any of my posts. lol Have a look: https://lemmy.world/u/UniversalMonk?page=1&sort=New&view=Posts

      • Your denial is meaningless. The spoiler effect is proven. Voting 3rd party has cost elections. If you really don't want Trump to win you'd vote Harris, say you were, and clearly state that reality gives you no real choice otherwise you'd vote for whomever. An intelligent stance that acknowledges that you are forced to choose a lesser evil lest 5th grader logic result in the greater evil winning.

        If there were primaries, or any 3rd party actually had a chance then by all means vote your conscience. That isn't the case so act your age instead of petulantly voting against your interests just because thinking is hard. Trump will thank you otherwise.

        You want to discuss all the mistakes and perversions of/in the system that got us stuck in this mess with no way out that isn't a cop-out I will stand by you and commiserate fullheartedly. But get real in the meantime.

        • If you really don’t want Trump to win you’d vote Harris, say you were, and clearly state that reality gives you no real choice otherwise you’d vote for whomever.

          No thanks. I'll vote for who I want to and who best aligns with my values. And that's not Trump or Harris. :)

          • And when Trump wins because Harris lost a battleground state by 700 votes a progressive 3rd party got instead what will you say when the US starts sending weapons to Israel en masse?

            • Why would I say anything? I'm not voting for Trump.

              If the Democrats are truly worried about losing votes to a third party, they could adopt policies that actually reflect the values of those voters instead of just expecting us to fall in line.

              My vote isn’t driven by fear. If Harris loses by such a slim margin, it’s not the fault of third-party voters—it’s the Democrats’ failure to address the issues that matter to us third-party voters.

              • Ohp, Trump just sent a plane load of MOABS to Israel.. If only that could have been avoided. You didn't vote for him so you got no worries though , except he just announced anyone pro-Palestine be sent to Segregation camps... sleep soundly with that clean conscience on your wooden mattress.

                • If only that could have been avoided.

                  Yeah, maybe the democrats should have been better and won the election!

                  Yyou didn’t vote for him so you got no worries though

                  That is correct. I won't be voting for him.

                  except he just announced anyone pro-Palestine be sent to Segregation camps… sleep soundly with that clean conscience on your wooden mattress.

                  That claim is absolutely ridiculous and nothing more than an over-the-top exaggeration. There’s no reality in which such extreme policies would be implemented, and statements like that just serve to fuel unnecessary fear and hysteria.

                  Let’s stick to the facts and not dive into wild, unfounded hyperbole.

                  You are free to vote out of fear. I won't.

                  • I can't hear you. You and your ilk have been declared a threat to national security and don't have access to any form of public communication. If it helps, one of your family or friends that registered not 3rd party have retained a lawyer and are attempting to free you on compassionate grounds. Even if they can prove a lack of mental competence to stand trial it will still take years to make the case. Enjoy your guilt-free gruel until then.

                    The death toll in Palestine has exceeded both Trump and Netanyahu's expectations so they've announced 2 more shipments to Israel.

                    If only there was some way you and your compatriots could have prevented this horror from happening by getting Harris the few votes she needed, distasteful as it might have been.

                    • ou and your ilk have been declared a threat to national security and don’t have access to any form of public communication.

                      Carrying on the fictional scenario I see.

                      If only there was some way you and you compatriots could prevented this horror from happening by getting Harris the few votes she needed, distasteful as it might have been.

                      It's not my job to "get" Harris or the democrats any votes. I don't like her and I won't be voting for her. That's the job of the democratic party.

                      I'm voting for the candidate who I like. Just as you are free to vote for the candidate you like.

                      Enjoying my gruel right now actually. Thank you!

                      • It’s not my job to “get” Harris or the democrats any votes

                        No, but it is your job to break large rocks with a mallet all day until Bubba says you can stop. Rumour has spread that Jill Stein fled to Russia, and that Trump signed into law a ban on all unions except for the police.

                        Shame there was no possible way you and your comrades could have strategically voted that could have prevented all these and more opposites-to-your-'intentions'.

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