The TERF propaganda machine has already superspreaded the boxer's Imane Khelif's Olympics row is about trans identification. In fact she appears to be born woman with DSDs
The TERF propaganda machine has already superspreaded the boxer's Imane Khelif's Olympics row is about trans identification. In fact she appears to be born woman with DSDs
Algerian boxer Imane Khelif’s Olympic participation is “not a transgender issue”, an IOC spokesperson has said.
Algerian boxer Imane Khelif’s participation at the Paris 2024 Olympics is “not a transgender issue”, a spokesperson for the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has said. Khelif beat Italy’s Angela Carini on Thursday (1 August), in a fight that has reignited an online storm about her participation in the Games, despite the fact she has been confirmed as eligible to enter the women’s boxing event.
The welterweight bout lasted just 46 seconds, with the Italian boxer saying she was forced to concede defeat. “I am heartbroken,” Carina said, reports The Guardian. “Regardless of the person I had in front of me, which doesn’t interest me, regardless of all the row, I just wanted to win.”
Khelif previously competed at the Tokyo 2020 Olympics. She and fellow boxer Lin Yu-ting were disqualified from last year’s World Championships after failing to meet eligibility criteria.
Lin, who represents Taiwan, was stripped of third place at last year’s World Championships after failing a gender eligibility test. Khelif was disqualified in New Delhi for failing a testosterone level test, following information from the IOC.
Further details on why the pair were disqualified from the World Championships were not given at the time. IOC spokesman Mark Adams addressed the controversy again on Thursday (1 August), reiterating that Khelif and Lin both comply with Olympic eligibility rules and clarifying that their participation had nothing to do with trans issues.
“I repeat, all the competitors comply with the eligibility rules”, Adams stated (via The Guardian). “But what I would say is that this involves real people.”
He added: “And, by the way, this is not a transgender issue. I should make this absolutely clear.” Khelif told the BBC after her latest victory: “I am here for gold. I will fight anybody, I will fight them all.” The IOC previously said that “all athletes participating in the boxing tournament of the Olympic Games comply with the competitions eligibility and entry regulations as well as all applicable medical regulations”.
In response to claims about Khelif, the Algerian Olympic Committee said it “strongly condemns** the unethical targeting and maligning” of their boxer**, calling the attacks on her “deeply unfair”.
Featherweight Lin is set to take on Sitora Turdibekova on Friday (2 August).
According to Wikipedia Khelif is natal woman with DSD making her having high testosterone levels. Not much detail is given about fellow boxer Lin_Yu-ting also cleared to fight in the Olympics after being stripped of a medal for gender issues before. It seems she competed in women's tournaments throughout her life.
So this makes this another Caster Semenya case with a notable difference, the amount of anti-trans propaganda coverage the IOC boxers' issue has received is objectively more troubling even compared to Fallon Fox's MMA matches.
Please have this in mind and debunk whoever claims that this is a trans issue. Point out that their definition of woman leaves actual women out of it, unless they are the Marjorie Taylor Greene type.
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I hadn't heard of DSD before.
And I would like Republicans to denote exactly which sports each person with such disorders gets to play in. XXY are men? Even though at least one has been pregnant?. How about "men" with Swyer Syndrome? They may not even know they're "men!"
And how do we prove who is who?
Are we going to start doing genetic testing of athletes?
They already do genetic testing on the highest level of competition. She's been excluded by IBA because of it.
The Olympics is the highest level of competition, so no they don't.
Nor should they for the reasons I just stated above.
Do you really think someone with naturally-formed breasts and a vagina should be prevented from women's sports because a genetic test revealed something which they didn't know themselves- that they have a Y chromosome?
Is that really how you think things should go?
I'm simply informing you that the IBA (International Boxing Association) does do genetic testing. And this woman have been excluded as a result. It has already happened. The debate of which is slightly higher level than the other is pointless and irrelevant
As per what I think. I think women's sport was created to promote sports for women and boost their participation. And also to give them an equal playingfield. due to men (who are genetically different), often have a physical advantage because of it.
If a woman, have these genetic traits that give men their physical advantages (and I'm speaking in broad, general terms). I can understand if there is a debate about allowing her to compete with other women that doesn't. It is after all one of the two reasons women's sports were created in the first place.
What if a woman just has a very muscular, masculine build despite being genetically XX? As far as we know, Brittney Griner is a woman. She would also defeat plenty of NBA players in one-on-one. Maybe she also should be excluded if we're going to start making this about not allowing people with certain physical advantages to compete?
I'm sure the appropriate league will make their determination based on the information available to them.
I don't see the point in debating a made up scenario of yours where the only information available is the one you're imagining.
Yes, I am totally imagining a world in which Brittney Griner exists.
If Brittney Griner is so good that she's better than NBA players, I'm sure NBA teams would be contracting her instead of WNBA. Good for her. Probably make more money too.
What's the point you want to make? The WNBA has made a call that it's cool for her to compete there. I don't know what you want me to say? It's a different case in a different sport.
How about this? We don't need a 100% consistent rule that applies globally (or even nationally). Just let each sports association make their own rules.
It's not that important of an issue anyway, and certainly doesn't require international news coverage.
Sorry... we don't need a consistent rule that applies globally for the Olympics?
We don't need a consistent rule that applies globally to all sports on all levels.
Let the IOC worry about the rules for the olympics (They generally group athletes by what their passports say their gender is).One compromise would be having two categories “women AFAB” and “open”. Anyone can participate in “open” but only women AFAB can participate in “women AFAB” category.
Trans women are women so they can compete in the "woman AFAB" category despite the name you gave for it.
agreed.
So we should have women/mens sports be divided based on gender identity. that makes sense.
How does that work for non-binary people?
On top of that, we don't actually know whether or not Khelif was AFAB. For all we know, she has plumbing down there which appears to be biologically female. That is entirely possible even if she has XY chromosomes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XY_gonadal_dysgenesis
So I guess the idea here is that it doesn't matter what you have between your legs, all that matters is what's analyzed on the cheek swab. I wonder what age athletes are expected to get tested for this? The youngest Olympian this year is competing in women's skateboarding for China and she's 12.
So, I guess pre-12?
Oh yes I wasn’t commenting on this particular case but in general.
I’m still wondering how sports can best accomodate non-binary individuals? What are the current practices, if anyone knows?