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Do that many people in Israel really support this?
I guess Lemmy doesn't have a big enough Israeli community to answer that, but I have a hard time picturing an analogue for this in other countries.
I would think they detest the act, but they would argue it wasn't rape because legally only a citizen can be raped and that the victims were traumatized repeatedly weren't citizens.
And they will be angry at you for making them think about it.
They spent years dehumanizing palestinians. They probably don't see them as human anymore, let alone citizens
Yes, and it's cultural
legally only a citizen can be raped
Eh, that's not how that works, that's not how anything works
That's how Israeli law works...
Israeli here.
There is enough bad blood between us and the Palestinians for many people to approve the rape, and after 7.10 they feel confident enough to vocally support it. At least - the mob on the street and in social media. The more subtle right-wingers (as you may have guessed - this became a partisan thing) don't condone the rape itself - but they have a few "but"s:
- They say that the soldiers are heroes that operate in harsh conditions, and we should be more forgiving toward such "venting".
- They say that we should be more skeptic toward the testimonies of the released Palestinians prisoners, and should not start investigations based on their complains.
- They say that the arrest of the soldiers could have been done in a more peaceful and gentle way. (personal opinion - this argument is the only one that has some merit to it. Doesn't justify the rampage though)
- The rampage against the arrest is a legitimate democratic protest, and the establishment is only handling it with extreme prejudice because it's a right-wing thing.
As the conversation in the Knesset I've linked below proves, it's not a fringe opinion in israel.
Abu Ghraib comes to mind. War does horrific things to people's minds.
Abu Ghraib
Did US citizens really support it though?
I feel like a lot of US warcrimes are done with the public being ignorant of them, while what's remarkable to me is that so many people in Israel seem to support it.
Well, at the very least war warped the minds of the soldiers, making them do horrible things and laugh about it.
It all comes.downnto the politicians that push this war, and it's narrative. With Abu Ghraib, the US citizens didn't know about it, until they did and it became a scandal.
I guess the difference here for the Israel citizens is that they are right smack in the middle of it. That doesn't excuse it but does explain it
Israeli here.
There is enough bad blood between us and the Palestinians for the right wing part of the street to vocally